Warren
I think you are right. I think if I do an uninstall on the app before the 24
hour period then it refunds. Thanks for catching that.
Which leaves only one option.
The install app can have two buttons on it.
One to: Remove just the Install app
and another to: Remove the install app AND the Character
So the USER has the option of removing either just the install app (so the
phone doesn't get cluttered with apk install files) OR removing the install
app AND the character.
If they select EITHER button before the the 24 hour period for a refund then
both the install app and the character are removed.
Which this can all be explained to the user within the install app.
That should work. I would think?
Rob
I just took a look at them. The MAIN thing I am trying to accomplish is to
make my characters available without requiring the user to enter finical
information again.
I really believe if they don't have to do that and instead they just click
on "submit" to buy another character that will make a HUGE difference in the
amount of people that will buy my characters because its a two second thing
for them.
They are at the DMV for example and board and like the characters in my app
(which they downloaded because it was free), so why not try another
character for .99 if they just have to click "ok"??
If I can just make it as seem-less as possible for an "install" apk to work
with my main app this would be a great thing (as well as other developers
like Warren).
-Chris
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Rob Mazur <r...@mobalyze.net> wrote:
> Chris, have you tried creating an account on ScoreLoop? Once logged in
> they have a note at the bottom about their Android SDK. They are
> making it available to a few developers and you can email them if you
> are interested.
>
> IMO, until Google builds an in-app payment system, the best bet is to
> go with a company like ScoreLoop. I did read somewhere that they take
> a pretty hefty cut, but I don't know of any other options out there. I
> checked out OpenFeint but didn't see anything about Android. Plus this
> should only be temporary cuz it just wouldn't make sense for Google to
> miss out on the potential revenue available.
>
>
> On Mar 25, 4:36 pm, chris harper <ch393...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Will an uninstall trigger a refund? If so maybe I just don't do a refund?
> I
> > don't deal with it?
> >
> > Is that an option? Can we do that?
> >
> > I plan on only charging .99 for a character.
> >
> > My main free app will contain two default characters (to get the user
> > hooked).
> >
> > So if they really likes the app and they think the characters are funny
> (I
> > have spent a lot of time on them) then they are more likely to still buy
> > another one if there is no refund...because it's ONLY .99 after all??
> >
> > What do you think? Great point though. Thank you.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Warren <warrenba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > *So I think I am in the ballpark, unless anyone sees anything I have
> > > overlooked?*
> >
> > > I think you overlooked something big. You plan to leave the data on
> > > the phone and uninstall the app. That works. But suppose I download
> > > the a character app, install the character, then immediately refund?
> > > Wouldn't I keep the character data?
> >
> > > Also, if you auto-uninstall within the refund period, will that
> > > trigger a refund?
> >
> > > If so, you guarantee 0 revenue.
> >
> > > On Mar 25, 3:14 pm, chris harper <ch393...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Thank you for all the interest guys. Really it helps and it can help
> > > feature
> > > > developers down the road.
> >
> > > > Shane it is tricky and I don't want to do against Googles blessing
> but
> > > their
> > > > lack of direction (or more like NO direction) on what developers
> should
> > > do
> > > > for virtual content has kind of backed us into this corner of "how
> can I
> > > > provide virtual content for my app?".
> >
> > > > I THINK I am close.
> >
> > > > The instructions for the characters are stored in the sqlite
> database.
> > > Where
> > > > the instructions for each character contain how to move, what images
> to
> > > use,
> > > > what sounds to play, different animation characteristics for each
> etc...
> > > but
> > > > the logic to RUN the instructions are in the main app. Hince the
> > > characters
> > > > are "modules" that my app uses.
> >
> > > > Now to do this via Market place I am thinking that I have to create a
> > > > different apk "intall" file for each character.
> >
> > > > Where in my main app I am using webview to go to my site to view
> > > additoinal
> > > > characters but once they select a character from my website then
> actual
> > > > checkout can be linked to the Market and to the .apk “installer” for
> > > just
> > > > that character.
> > > > They select the "ok", they download the .apk for that character. Then
> the
> > > > user (or maybe my main app can run the .apk installer pragmatically)
> > > runs the
> > > > "install" .apk. That runs which populates the database (which is
> used
> > > buy
> > > > the main app) with the character instructions and the installer
> places
> > > the
> > > > images and sounds on the phone for the main program to access for
> that
> > > > character. Now the character is installed.
> >
> > > > Now that would create a ton of .apk "install" app's on the phone (one
> for
> > > > each character). But I did find where a .apk can uninstall itself
> via:
> >
> > > > *Uri packageURI = Uri.parse("package:com.android.myapp");
> > > > Intent uninstallIntent = new Intent(Intent.ACTION_DELETE,
> packageURI);* *
> > > > * *startActivity(uninstallIntent);*
> >
> > > > * *
> >
> > > > *So after each install runs and installs the character then the
> installer
> > > > for that character can then remove itself. *
> >
> > > > *Where I don’t need the installer to uninstall the character. The
> Main
> > > App
> > > > has that functionality.*
> >
> > > > * *
> >
> > > > *The problem I have is when the install app uninstall’s itself it
> asks
> > > for
> > > > permission (which it should), but that can be confusing for the user
> who
> > > > JUST download it (and now it’s asking to be uninstalled??)*
> >
> > > > * *
> >
> > > > *So I think I am in the ballpark, unless anyone sees anything I have
> > > > overlooked?*
> >
> > > > **
> >
> > > > **
> >
> > > > *-Chris
> > > > *
> >
> > > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Shane Isbell <
> shane.isb...@gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Disconnect <
> dc.disconn...@gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> >
> > > > >> Sure there is - when you load the saved game (or the app, or
> whatever)
> > > > >> check the content (characters, etc) against the installed
> > > applications.
> >
> > > > > Then you are back to the case of having a bunch of apks installed
> on
> > > the
> > > > > user's device, which I believe was the issue Chris was trying to
> avoid.
> > > In
> > > > > any case, it looks like a tricky problem to get this to work in
> Android
> > > > > Market without Google's blessing.
> >
> > > > >> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Shane Isbell <
> shane.isb...@gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> >
> > > > >>> Hi Chris,
> >
> > > > >>> One other problem that may occur is that users purchase
> additional
> > > APKs
> > > > >>> (or virtual goods) and then after receiving them, simply ask for
> a
> > > refund on
> > > > >>> the APK. This allows them to keep your installer and main app and
> get
> > > as
> > > > >>> many add-ons and additional content as they want for free. There
> is
> > > no way
> > > > >>> to revoke the content once a refund has been issued.
> >
> > > > >>> Shane
> >
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