Bill, I heard of this technique, "crop and flop" where the central leader bends on its own. Can't see a problem with helping the process along with some string, Thanks for the ideas, Hugh
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Fleming, William <w...@exchange.montana.edu>wrote: > Tree height in a high density orchard depends on your latitude, row width > and orientation i.e. N-S or E-W. > > While a short tree might be ideal if you want to go ladderless at our > latitude here in Montana 12 foot tall trees oriented N-S with a 14’ drive > row take maximum advantage of the sun. > > I’ve seen an online calculator for this but don’t recall where. My bet is > google knows though. > > To stop or slow down trees from growing taller I just head back to a > weaker side branch, hopefully one that has fruited, or you can bend down > the central leader to 45° or less with string once it gets to the desired > height. > > I never cut the central leader till it reaches the desired height. > > > > *Bill Fleming* > > *Montana State University* > > *Western Ag Research Center* > > *580 Quast Lane* > > *Corvallis, MT 59828* > > > > *From:* apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto: > apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] *On Behalf Of *Hugh Thomas > *Sent:* Friday, November 22, 2013 10:06 PM > > *To:* Apple-crop discussion list > *Subject:* Re: [apple-crop] honeycrisp management > > > > Makes sense to me now. > > > > I've read that Bud 118 doesn't need support. A question I've always had > is, "Why is it important to not cut the leader?" Seems like an idea > situation to me would be to plant high density with root stocks that are > self supporting and cut the top out every year to two to control the height > of the trees. Another thought is that the dwarf trees are really large > trees, in my mind - 10+ feet. Seems like a super dwarf that gets to about > 7 feet would be idea, planted a foot apart - wild thoughts... > > > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Steven Bibula <sbib...@maine.rr.com> > wrote: > > Hugh, > > > > What Art said, plus the idea that interstems should to provide a > ultimately similar orchard result as with Tall Spindle or other high > density plantings, with somewhat less cost per acre due to less support > needed and fewer trees per acre; also, the hope is to achieve longer tree > life than with straight dwarf rootstocks. > > > > I have a few sloped and curving fields that don’t lend themselves to > post-and-wire, so I am looking for early bearing, high density alternatives. > > > > Steven Bibula > > > > *From:* apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto: > apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] *On Behalf Of *Hugh Thomas > *Sent:* Friday, November 22, 2013 1:24 PM > > > *To:* Apple-crop discussion list > *Subject:* Re: [apple-crop] honeycrisp management > > > > Steven, > > Sorry for my ignorance, but why use interstems? > > > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 5:55 AM, Steven Bibula <sbib...@maine.rr.com> > wrote: > > I am sorry for not being clearer in my initial post. My main question is > about Honeycrisp on various interstems managed with renewal pruning. That > is, does anyone have experience with this. > > > > Steven Bibula > > > > *From:* apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto: > apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] *On Behalf Of *Hugh Thomas > *Sent:* Friday, November 22, 2013 12:52 AM > *To:* Apple-crop discussion list > *Subject:* Re: [apple-crop] honeycrisp management > > > > Rich, > > I'm curious about your location and elevation. > > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 8:45 PM, Rich Everett <reofar...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I have a couple acres of honey crisp on different root stock and I'd tell > anyone that the tree is difficult to grow, susceptible to many diseases > from powdery mildew to pith and much more. The apple taste great fresh, > we've juiced with the taste not very desirable for juice. Again, the > toughest apple tree for us to grow and we have 15 varieties. Good luck > > > > On Nov 21, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Jill Kelly <kelly...@metrocast.net> wrote: > > > > I've got Honeycrisp on M26 at 5X15 Steve. The 5 looks pretty good but the > 15 probably could had been 13. Your welcome to come down to have a look > sometime. > > > > Art Kelly > > Kelly Orchards > > Acton, Maine > > On Nov 21, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Steven Bibula wrote: > > > > I plan to trial Honeycrisp on B.9/B.118, B.9/MM.111 and G.11/MM.111. I > also plan to use renewal pruning, with no permanent limbs. Considering Jon > Clements' recommendation for Honeycrisp on B.9 at 2 feet apart in the row, > any thoughts about spacing for these other combinations, or cautions? My > thinking: If Honeycrisp on B.9 means waiting to crop until the third leaf, > maybe it is better to not rely heavily on Tall Spindle, but instead also go > with fewer trees on interstems (cheaper per acre) that will presumably last > longer, need less expensive support and still be trained to a compact, > U-Pick friendly fruiting wall. > > > > Steven Bibula > > Plowshares Community Farm > > 236 Sebago Lake Road > > Gorham ME 04038 > > 207.239.0442 > > www.plowsharesmaine.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.net > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > > > _______________________________________________ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.net > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > > > Rich Everett > > > > Everett Family Farm > > "Fine Organics From Seed to Core" > > reofar...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.net > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > > > > _______________________________________________ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.net > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > > > > _______________________________________________ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.net > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > > > _______________________________________________ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.net > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > >
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