Mostly my questions were answered except, what to do if copper levels are found 
to be very low in both soil and leaf analysis, can copper be added to the soil 
and how?  Could  adding copper to the herbicide tank be a good idea? Tilling 
the soil and adding copper then?? Maybe copper is just not abundant in central 
Illinois soils? I stick with my theory that FB is a result of trees stressed 
out by copper deficiancy in the soil. Lee Elliott, Upstart Nursery.
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 What we need is two plans of attack for FB, one for bearing
 trees and blossom blight and another plan for young nursery
 trees and non bearing young trees that mostly get shoot
 blight. It seems we could spray lots of copper on these
 young trees but how much before leaf injury and is it a
 waste to spray nursery trees with strep?  anybody got a
 plan for just grafted and 1-2 year trees, Lee Elliott,
 Upstart Nursery, Winchester Il.
 
 
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 4 plans for FB.  Kerik Cox, Herb Aldwinckle, Debbie
 Breth and I developed some guidelines for different orchard
 scenarios (nurseries, young and established high density
 plantings) for fire blight control, given the risk of
 streptomycin resistance existing in the orchard or
 developing in the orchard. They are:
 
 GUIDELINES FOR ALL AREAS 
 1.    All fire blight cankers should be
 removed during winter pruning. Remove all trees with central
 leader or main trunk infections. Infected wood should be
 removed from the orchard and either burned or placed where
 it will dry out rapidly. 
 2.    Copper sprays should be applied at
 green tip.
 3.    Extension alerts and disease model
 forecasts for fire blight infection periods should be
 heeded, and suggested materials sprayed promptly.
 4.    When blossom infection is forecast,
 apply a tank mix of either 
 a.    oxytetracycline* in combination with
 streptomycin at highest labeled rates,
 b.    or, the highest labeled rate of
 streptomycin in combination with a bloom time rate of a
 registered copper** product,
 c.    or, kasugamycin (Kasumin 2L), if
 registered. 
 5.    Prohexadione-Calcium (Apogee)
 applications for shoot blight should be seriously
 considered, especially on highly-susceptible varieties. 
 6.    Fire blight strikes should be pruned
 out promptly and destroyed. It is best to prune well back
 into healthy wood, about 12 inches below the margin with
 dead tissue.
 7.    If you need to interplant apple trees
 in existing orchards where fire blight was observed; wait
 until late fall, so the bloom on the new trees will be
 synchronized with the established trees.  
 
 ADDITIONAL CHEMICAL USE GUIDELINES FOR HIGH RISK AREAS (with
 confirmed strep resistance)
 1.    Follow general recommendations (above)
 except for the following differences. 
 2.    Never apply streptomycin without
 another active ingredient effective against fire
 blight.  To reiterate, when blossom infection is
 forecast, apply a tank mix of either 
 a.    oxytetracycline* in combination with
 streptomycin at highest labeled rates,
 b.    or, the highest labeled rate of
 streptomycin in combination with a bloom time rate of a
 registered copper** product
 c.    or, kasugamycin (Kasumin 2L), if
 registered. 
 3.    Prohexadione-Calcium (Apogee) sprays
 should be applied at the highest labeled rate at 1-3 inches
 shoot growth. Apogee will not be effective if applied after
 you see fire blight symptoms.  
 
 GUIDELINES FOR ON-FARM NURSERY PRODUCTION 
 1.    Collect budwood from orchards where
 fire blight is not established or from a neighboring farm
 without fire blight.  
 2.    Limit streptomycin applications to 2-3
 per season. These should be timed according to a disease
 forecast model prediction or Extension alert.
 3.    When fire blight pressure is high and
 shoots are actively growing, apply copper at the lowest
 labeled rate to prevent shoot blight.
 4.    Before conducting tree management tasks
 in nursery apply a copper product at the lowest labeled rate
 and observe the labeled REI. 
 5.    When working in the nursery, field
 workers must wear clean clothing, and should wash hands and
 disinfect working tools often.   
 6.    Any pinching, leaf twisting, should be
 done on dry sunny days with low relative humidity, after the
 REI of a copper application has expired.   
 7.    If fire blight is found in the nursery,
 completely remove the infected trees including the root
 system, and place them in trash bags between rows. 
 Subsequently, remove the culled trees from between the rows
 and discard them.  Under no circumstances should
 unbagged infected trees be pulled between nursery rows when
 trees are wet, otherwise fire blight will be spread down the
 rows. 
 8.    Control potato leafhoppers in nursery
 using a registered neonicotinoid product.  
 9.    Maintain weed control through
 cultivation. Apply registered post-emergence herbicides
 using a shielded boom. There are some residual herbicides
 registered for use in nurseries.  
 10.    When trees have reached the desired
 height, consider applying the lowest labeled rate of Apogee
 to slow growth and reduce susceptibility to shoot
 blight.  
 11.    Manage nitrogen levels to balance tree
 growth and fire blight susceptibility.
 
 RECOMMENDATIONS FOR NEW PLANTINGS (1-2 years) 
 1.    If possible, plant varieties grafted on
 fire blight-resistant rootstocks.
 2.    Trees should be carefully examined for
 fire blight infections before planting.  Infected trees
 should be discarded. 
 3.    Immediately after planting, and 14 days
 later, a copper application should be made. Ensure that soil
 has settled to avoid phytotoxicity to roots. 
 4.    Trees should be scouted at 7-day
 intervals for fire blight strikes until July 31st. Infected
 trees should be removed as described above. Plantings also
 need to be scouted 7-10 days after hail or severe summer
 storms. The NEWA (http://newa.cornell.edu) disease
 forecasting model for fire blight 
http://newa.cornell.edu/index.php?page=apple-diseases
 can assist by providing an estimate of symptom emergence
 following a storm or other trauma event. Also scout the
 planting at the end of the season (mid-September).
 5.    If possible, remove flowers before they
 open. New plantings may have considerable numbers of flowers
 the first year, and blossom removal may not be practical. If
 practiced, the blossoms should be removed during dry weather
 and before there is a high risk of fire blight
 infection.  
 6.    Trees should receive an application of
 copper at a stage equivalent to bloom. Observe the labeled
 REI before blossom removal.
 7.    To protect any remaining bloom, apply
 one of the following tank mix options:  
 a.    the highest labeled rate of copper**
 prior to infection,
 b.    or, oxytetracycline* in combination
 with streptomycin at highest labeled rates,
 c.    or, the highest labeled rate of
 streptomycin in combination with a bloom time rate of a
 registered copper** product, 
 d.    or, kasugamycin (Kasumin), if
 registered.
 8.    Infected trees should be removed
 entirely in these high density orchards.
 
 *Oxytetracycline must be applied before infection occurs.
 Therefore, monitor fire blight forecasts and heed Extension
 alerts carefully when using oxytetracycline. Data from
 university field research trials suggest that different
 formulations of the same antibiotic active ingredient may
 perform differently in the field. Consult with specialist
 before choosing the product for your operation.  
 **Copper must be applied before infection occurs. Therefore,
 monitor fire blight forecasts and heed Extension alerts
 carefully when using copper. Copper may cause fruit russet.
 Hydrated lime may be used to saften copper. An example would
 be Badge SC at rate of 0.75 to 1.75 pints /acre buffered
 with 1-3 lbs. of hydrated lime for every 2 pints of Badge to
 minimize fruit finish damage.
 
 Julie
 Juliet E. Carroll, PhD
 Fruit IPM Coordinator, New York State IPM Program, Cornell
 University
 630 W. North St., Geneva, NY 14456, 315-787-2430, j...@cornell.edu
 
 NYS IPM Program, nysipm.cornell.edu
 Cornell Cooperative Extension provides equal program &
 employment opportunity
 
 
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 Subject: [apple-crop] 2 plans for FB
 
 What we need is two plans of attack for FB, one for bearing
 trees and blossom blight and another plan for young nursery
 trees and non bearing young trees that mostly get shoot
 blight. It seems we could spray lots of copper on these
 young trees but how much before leaf injury and is it a
 waste to spray nursery trees with strep?  anybody got a
 plan for just grafted and 1-2 year trees, Lee Elliott,
 Upstart Nursery, Winchester Il.
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