I disagree.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:44 PM, V S Rawat <vsra...@gmail.com> wrote:

>   On 3/12/2009 3:11 PM India Time, _Jahanzeb Farooq_ wrote:
>
> > in fact we watched
> > JA together and during Khwaja mere khwaja as I mentioned that music
> > is by ARR, he said I did not see anything special (sadly enough. may
> > because it was in bad quality. also we know that ARR's music grows
> > but he does not).
>
> I am a known JA basher so I thought I can say about this song also.
>
> khwaja song might be holding additional value for muslims due to its
> religious connotations, and for general fans it might have got some high
> weightage due to the anecdotes of ARR having composed it already and
> then AG using it in the film.
>
> But as a song, I find khwaja song quite barren and monotonous if I can
> say that. It is a sort of "introvert" song giving a feel that a person
> must be singing it within his heart and mind. It is his personal
> pleasure. Others would not be able to connect to it.
>
> Firstly, the song has some 1:20 initial alaaps that are quire boring to
> say and kill the entire beauty of song that comes after that. It is more
> like the sounds generated when a player "tunes up" his instruments
> before starting to really play it up. Such a long wasted part is a sin
> in current busy time. Those "ya khwaja ji, moinuddin, gareeb nawaz" are
> without any lyrical or music value". So, I think the start itself is
> badly thought up.
>
> But then the song starts with lovely music BUT, BUT BUT poor lyrics. A
> typical lack of creativity in the monotonous, "logically-built up"
> lyrics as is usually the case with Javed Akhtar.
>
> Khwaja Mere Khwaja
> Dil Mein Sama ja
> Bebaso ki Taqdeer
> Tu ne hai sawari
>
> There is no rhyming, no deep devotion. All that "dil mein sama ja" type
> of phrases had been used a 1000 times in cheap ladki-pataao songs in 60s
> and here he comes up with that in a 21st century devotional song.
>
> I would say that the major failure of the song remains in the poor
> lyrics. Then, it fails in arrangements of vocals. None of the voices
> carry and ethos and pathos. They are just singing an any song, not a
> religious song for the most respected muslim personality of Indian
> subcontinent. pronunciations are also not clear. that bebaso ki taqdeer
> tu ne hai sanwari, has bebaso and tu ne pronounced so pooorly that one
> has to strain to hear it and make the meaning of it. Sad that it is our
> man himself.
>
> And then "Tere darbaar mein khwaza noor ko mainne dekha" has noor
> pronounced so poorly by our man himself, and then there are alaaps, and
> then the music gives the impression that the line is going to be
> repeated, tere darbar mein khwaja - but they drop the line
> unceremoniously and begin another line - sar jhukaate hain auliya.
> What was so great in mentioning that auliya sar jhukate hain, so what,
> is that why you feel respect for him? I think the respect should have
> come from within, not due to seeing how others are respecting him.
>
> and then "tu hai xxxx khwaja - rutaba hai pyara" chahne se tujhko
> mustafa ko paya" that xxx is still not clear to my aging ears. and
> lastly that "hai mere peer ka sadqa, tera daman hai thama," tali hai
> bala hamari, chhaya hai khumar tera, jitna bhi rashq karein beshaq, to
> ab hai XXX mere khwaja, tere kadmo ko mere rahnuma nahin chhodna gawara.
> I don't get what exactly is the concept. No rhyming, no poetry, just
> some words have got hammerred in. It must be the poorest lyrics by Javed.
>
> I would say that ARR's voice is also not as sweet enough as he is famed
> for, there is a rare shrillness, a hollow in ARR's voice that I don't
> remember having heard in any other song. May be he was trying a new
> voice but it didn't suit my ears.
>
> all the internal aalaaps also are confusing, making it a classical song.
> They are not even bringing a sense of a trance.
>
> And as I already said once that JA music was a personal music and didn't
> reflect the lavishness of the film.
>
> I think I can describe now what I meant by that personal vs lavishness.
> Listen to the music between 3:40 - 4:05. That Persian sort of. Now, that
> is what I call a royal music, that has lavishness, that has luxury, that
> is group music, public music. Also the instrument that stars playing at
> the backdrop at about 6:10 and continues till the end of song. that
> single instrument is giving a royal touch to the song. That type of
> music is what I expected to be everywhere in JA music and background,
> but no, we didn't get that. Our man had different ideas about music
> suitable for the emperor of India. Compare the above two sounds to the
> sound at 1:20-1:45. Now this 1:20 sound is what I call a personal sound,
> lacking royal touch. It is a commoner's, a poor man's sound, now
> suitable for a period film.
>
> Seeing so many members liking the song so much, mentioning it as their
> most fav song, etc., I tried to listen to it several times, but this is
> one song of ARR that I found lacking in almost each and every aspect.
> --
>
> Compare that to D6's Arziyaan. Now, Arziyaan is a prayer song that
> carries you with it and you forget yourself love the journey . perfect
> sounds, music, emotional voices, all pathos, stopping just short of
> melodrama of so many manmohan desai's religious songs. I wonder what
> those who had loved khwaja feel about Arziyaan? One can't go on liking
> every song otherwise it becomes a hype. One has to love some songs and
> find some other songs not up to the mark, only then his appraisal of the
> songs appear realistic.
>
> --
> Rawat
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