>I agree my brother is often cryptic. Even I feel that way. People
have different styles of communicating. My brother assumes, >obviously
incorrectly, that we know of the many things he does. Unfortunately we
don't. And thus it is difficult for us to connect >the dots. But that is NOT
his fault :-). Having said that, I would agree that ultimately it is a matter of
both COMMUNICATING
>and EDUCATING. But those who are trying to learn,
sincerely, cannot do so by either posing challenges only and/or
with a >confrontational attitude.
A leader is one who not only knows
stuff but who has strong conviction about a certain way things need to be done
and he can communicate well his conviction to his fellow beings so that others
are convinced of his conviction. If a leader assumes that others are supposed to
know what he knows, then he is not a leader. (Period). We have many
knowledgeable people in Assam and everywhere else in this world who are of no
use to the public unless they can communicate their knowledge.
Everybody is willing to learn from
a leader who has strong convictions. Till others are convinced though, there
will be strong confrontations which the would be leader will have to
overcome. Today, we say that Tarun Gogoi or Prafulla Mahanta are
not strong leaders simply because they fail on above
counts.
Frankly
speaking, from what I have seen in the net so far about your brother's
communication, he may be a very knowledgeable engineer and a very knowledgable
and intelligent above average person, but he seems to be failing miserably
as a leader in the following respects:
1) We have not seen his
convictions (other than the fact that he supports ULFA like many other Tom, Dick
and Harry. People donot have time to listen to Tom, Dick and
Harry.)
2) We have not seen any explanation
of his convictions so that others are convinced.
But Assam so badly need leaders
today that I would think that people are in general would be sympathetic to
hear any strong voice with conviction
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 1:05
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Assam's Ancient
Links with Mainland India
Nulu,
Mayur Bora, I think, is a shadow just like Bidyut Kakati. Another
impersonation. Do you have any inkling who it could be?
Hi Mayur:
I was looking forward to getting some specific answers to all the
questions I asked you about your charges of my various 'specious'
arguments, about the excessive nature of my analyses, about how Indian
governance is helping reduce the rifts between the many indigenous
people-your primary concern about Assam, how you justify that as a reason
AGAINST Assam's sovereignty aspirations, so on and so forth.
Since you failed to answer any of them other than repeat your opinions,
will it be fair for us to conclude that those were merely your fancy words
and that there was no substance to them, that you don't know why you make
those charges and comments and deliver those opinions ? And if you do not
agree, will you explain why?
Yes, I will be pleased to explain the disarray in Assam's management
and how they are rooted in the dysfunctional Indian governance.
However, that is not to be construed as the people in charge of Assam
governance have no responsibility at all, like some of our friends
here assume, as soon as we discuss the Indian governmental roots of the
problems, and get all very excited. They too are accountable.
The question however is HOW do you hold them accountable? How do you
change things? I presume you too do not like what you see. But what is YOUR
plan, and how do you see MORE of the same being better than changes and
reforms under a sovereign Assam govt.?
Many of our Markhowa ( Markin Kharkhowa) peers, with their
terribly incomplete understanding of democracy, answer that elections
provide the accountability, that hold the governments accountable. Do they?
Governments come and governments go? Does anything change? And if nothing
changes, why so?
Before I go any further I want some answers from you. I am not about to
submit myself here into your inquisition. If you ask something, because you
don't know, and if I know the answer, it will be my pleasure a share
that. But yours is a CHALLENGE, an inquisition. Under the circumstances, I
intend to hold YOU to explain your conclusions, charges, and questions as
well.
Fair deal?
>Hats off to your capability
in
understanding your brother's posts in the right
>perspective. I don't understand his cryptic repliesmany a
time.
*** Thanks. But it seems like something salutary only to those who are
not anywhere near having any understanding of the issues involved.
I agree my brother is often cryptic. Even I feel that way. People
have different styles of communicating. My brother assumes, obviously
incorrectly, that we know of the many things he does. Unfortunately
we don't. And thus it is difficult for us to connect the dots. But that is
NOT his fault :-). Having said that, I would agree that ultimately it is a
matter of both COMMUNICATING
and EDUCATING. But those who are trying to learn,
sincerely, cannot do so by either posing challenges only
and/or with a confrontational attitude.
Challenges are meaningless, unless the challenger also could explain
what they defend.
cm
At 10:57 PM -0800 11/12/05, mayur bora wrote:
Dear Mahanta da
Sorry for being
late in my reply. I think it is better
to accept the fact that we
disagree on almost all the
points about Assam's aspirations for
independence. I
went through your detailed response carefully
before
coming to the conclusion that your logic failed to
convince
me about its utility and applicability in the
forseeable future. We are
better off within India than
outside it.
I am in fact eager to
see how you would like to
attribute the absolutelty unprofessional
conduct of
assam policemen to GoI (as per The Sentinel news).
This
is more or less reflected in all the state govt
departments. How do you
envisage a very rosy picture
in sovereign assam with the same kind of
people 'with
complete overhaul of the system' remains an enigma
to
me? Of course it may be due to my 'low inferential
capabilities'. Hats off to your capability
in
understanding your brother's posts in the right
perspective. I don't understand his
cryptic replies
many a time.
A comprehensive blueprint encompassing
economic,
social, political and administrative issues in
sovereign
Assam is the first and foremost need for a
meaningful and wider debate
on the pros and cons of it
before trying to mislead people with
theoritical
rebuttal. I would consider myself fortunate if you
or
anyone of that school of thought can share their
wisdom about any
workable and practical plan on any
one aspect (say administrative)in
independent assam
which will be much better, responsive and
accountable
than the present one. But it should not be a
vague
picture depicted till now in a highly polemical debate
on the
issue.
I hope in the larger interest of many netters, you
will
not disappoint us and share a portion (if not the
full) of your
proposed blueprint.
Bye for now.
Mayur
--- Chan
Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi
Mayur:
>
>
> At 2:52 AM -0800 11/9/05, mayur bora
wrote:
> >Dear Mahanta da
> >
> >Here is my
response to the points you raised.
> >
> >1) The total
absence of a feeling of bonhomie and
> >camaraderie among
different people will completely
> >vitiate the atmosphere
and mutual distrust and
> >acrimony will reach its zenith in
sovereign Assam.
> You
> >can't put the blame solely on GoI
for that.
>
>
> *** But what about your original
contention that it
> IS, now that is,
> is Assam's biggest
'weakness'? How has it gotten to
> where it is now,
> as
you see it? Under whose control and under the
> nurturing
policies
> crafted by whom?
>
> I was hoping to give you
some help by asking you the
> question on the
> concept of
'meles' ( mlecch) , but you did avoid it
> like the plague,
>
didn't you ? I understand however why you would not
> touch
it.
>
> GoI, incidentally, has EXPLOITED the growing
rifts,
> that developed
> only after the colonial powers,
first the British,
> and the
> subsequent, far more corrosive
Indian practices took
> over.
>
> *** I will like to ask
you, how, as an intelligent
> and informed
> observer, you see
the GoI policies helping the cause
> of preserving
> the
ethnic identities of these indigenous people of
> the region?
The
> Indian govt. created the many states, actually
>
'dependencies', of
> the NE, by simple majority votes of a Lok Sabha
of
> 500 where the NE's
> representation is what, less than 20
, instead of
> promoting the
> co-operative, interdependent
ethos that sustained
> them in the
> centuries past.
These states, with no means to
> sustain themselves,
> are now
abject dependencies of a Center, showering
> them with its
>
largesse, creating an illusion they are doing well,
> but
really
> killing their culture with a Hindi/Hindu one,
>
political invasion,
> perpetuated with military
might.
>
> Is that not the bitter truth Mayur? And you
accept
> if not sing
> praises of such policies, playing
defenders of your
> indigenous
> brethrens'
culture?
>
> The only reason I would not call your intent
to
> question here, is
> because you are,I am sure, just like
so many of your
> peers, ignorant
> of the realities. I too
was so, until recently.
> Fortunately I read
> Prof. Sanjib
Baruah's book -- Durable Disorder, in
> which he makes
> some
of these issues very clear. If you are really
> interested
in
> understanding what has been going on, you cannot not
>
read the
> book.
>
>
>
>
> >2) Let
me accept for arguments sake that I am being
> >obsequious to
some system or culture.
>
>
> *** I don't understand
what you are trying to say.
> Perhaps a simpler
> way of
expressing yourself would be more helpful for
> those of us
to
> whom English is only a second language :-). But if
> you
are suggesting
> that a Hindu culture was indeed instrumental,
thru
> the concept of
> 'meles', in causing the cultural
alienation of the
> indigenous people
> of the NE, why can't
you admit it?
>
> Why do you qualify it as merely agreeing
for
> argument's sake?
>
> Are you trying to have it
both ways?
>
>
>
>
>
> >But you
have
> >already surrendered yourself to a
pernicious belief
> >whose impact will be disastrous for the
people for
> >whom you are acting as spokesman.
>
>
*** I am a spokesperson ONLY of myself. I am not a
>
designated
> representative or spokesperson of anybody. But
that
> is not to suggest
> others don't agree with me. Because
if it were so,
> those of you who
> disagree, would not be so
wrapped up with denouncing
> my arguments
> with fancy words,
but without ever being able to
> explain why or how.
> It is
because you see my arguments making sense and
> damaging to
your
> cause.
>
> Now what exactly do you see as MY
pernicious beliefs
> that will be destructive
> for
those whose views I might be reflecting? And HOW
> will they be
destructive?
>
> I hope you can delineate those, so we can
examine
> the substance of
> your
opinions.
>
>
>
>
> > Worse, you
have also
> >surrendered yourself to sophistry and casuistry
in
> >order to defend your specious arguments.
>
>
*** Huh? Are you dropping philosophy on me again
> here Mayur? I
told
> you I am philosophically challenged. Your effort is
>
akin to" gorur
> aagot twakar bai-xing jwkari ghanh khai". It
means
> nothing to me, and
> I doubt to anybody
else.
>
> But it will be a different issue with my
'specious'
> arguments. What
> are the arguments that I have
been making that are
> specious ( appear
> sound but are
fallacious--for those who are not sure
> what the word
>
means)? My observations of a decade of Assam Net
> debates has
been
> that no one gives me an inch, if they can find
>
something incorrect,
> fallacious, or otherwise untenable. My
esteemed
> opponents here
> descend on me like a crow over a
June bug--as they
> would say here in
> the American
heartland. The only reason they don't
> give examples or
>
explain is because they can't.
>
> You got your
challenge for the day Mayur. Prove it.
> Explain it. And
>
when you do, I will be the first to take it back,
> eat crow. But
fancy
> words will not take your arguments
anywhere.
>
>
>
> >My servitude
> >is
not harmful for others, but yours can spell
> havoc
> >in
peoples' lives. Of course you will not be
> affected.
>
>You will probably be busy dishing out justification
> >from
your armchair for any mishap which is bound to
>
>happen.
>
>
> *** On the contrary servitude of
people like
> yourself, who less
> fortunate people look up
to, is eminently harmful to
> their long term
> well-being. It
prevents them from examining what
> ails their
> collective
lot, keeps them from seeking better
> ways, seeking the
> reforms to
their governance they so sorely need.
>
> The fact that I am
furnishing explanations,
> clarifying issues from
>
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