>But I was a great Russian Enthusiast-and can read Russian fairly well.And
I am convinced we should have a shot-cut to an efficient
society.
Good to know that you know
Russian.
But what is in the failing Russian model for
Assam? Why follow a failing system? And how do you prpopose to achieve an
efficient society by short cut? By the gun? That is a No No. ULFA tried that,
and made Assam worse and less efficient. We are all trying to find a way
out of that now.
What new system and new way to getting there
you are proposing?
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 8:04
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] UNGEI: Glorious
Hindu Nations! - Non-Brahmins &Ancient Indian education
Rajib Dear,
I was never any party member.
But I was a great Russian Enthusiast-and can read Russian fairly well.
And I did tour East Europe quite extensively.
And I am convinced we should have a shot-cut to an efficient
society.
This seems to be the only way.
Try to come up with alternatives .
The E-mail ID's will lead you to the Website Questionnaire.
You should hurry
mm
From: Rajib Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: mc
mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED],
assam@assamnet.org
Subject: Re: [Assam] UNGEI: Glorious
Hindu Nations! - Non-Brahmins &Ancient Indian
education
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:30:51 -0800
(PST)
>
>Mikeda,
>
>Your Guwahati Master Plan
made for interesting
>reading.
>
>Were (are) you a
communist at any time?
>
>I had a vision of Guwahati 2025 - line
after line of
>the same looking prefabs. And then terms like
kulaks
>and reactionaries.
>
>Just
wondering!
>
>Rajib
>
>
>
>
>
>---
mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>If
Hinduism has to remain a viable set of rules and
>faiths for a
sizeable portion of humanity-first refom
>it . Get rid of Diktats from
reactionaries and
kulaks.
>
>mm
>
>
>
>---------------------------------
>From:
"Barua25" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"mc
mahant"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC:
<assam@assamnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [Assam] UNGEI: Glorious Hindu
Nations! -
>Non-Brahmins &Ancient Indian education
>Date:
Fri, 9 Dec 2005 19:35:02 -0600
>
> >Even in 20th century I
know of Ayurveda-charyas who
>did not even write down the new
discoveries they made
>-the >amazing new potions they had concocted
--for the
>fear that rivals would steal away patients from
them.
>I know of one such >man -who died suddenly
without
>even telling his disciple (his own son) and
all
>knowledge was lost.
>
>My reference to prohibition of
reading and hearing by
>Sudra was mainly to the Vedas as put into
sacred Hindu
>Laws by Manu.
>
>(There are many instances
of Sudra learning from the
>Brahmin. One great example is that of
Ekolobyo, a
>Sudro Archer who had to loose his right thumb, and
his
>skills, as Guru Dokhina to his Brahmin
Guru).
>
>But what you are saying is absolutely correct. In
fact
>one of the reasons why writing came to India quite
>later
was due to the fact that there was quite a
>resistance by the Brahmins
to put things into writing
>exactly for reasons cited by you. Later
writing
>developed in India mainly due to the advent
of
>Buddhism when the Buddhists started to put all the
>Buddhist
Sutras into writing in Pali (not Sanskrit) so
>that everybody will be
able to read and understand
>these. This was wrote opposed to the
principle of
>Brahmanism where the sacred scriptures were
committed
>to memory and passed down from father to son
(like
>they did in the movie Fahrenheit 451). Note that
the
>first writing in India was those of Ashoka's
edicts
>written on the stone pillars in Brahmi
script. Our
>famous Universities, Nalanda and Takshasila
were
>centers of Buddhist learning as opposed to
secret
>learning of Brahmanism under a Guru.
>But these are
history which we just need to know
>without trying to
defend.
>RB
>
>
>----- Original Message
-----
>From: umesh sharma
>To: Barua25 ; mc mahant
>Cc:
assam@assamnet.org
>Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 5:19
PM
>Subject: Re: [Assam] UNGEI: Glorious Hindu Nations!
-
>Non-Brahmins &Ancient Indian
education
>
>
>
>Rajen-da,
>
>I do not
know much about the history of Indian
>education but I do recall
reading that
>Karna - son of a charioteer obtained lessons
from the
>top Brahmin Guru - Parashuram (who
massacred
>Kshatriyas 21 times) and also that
non-Brahmin
>Pandavas, Kauravas etc received knoweldge from
their
>Brahmin gurus Drona and Kripacharya.
>
>Also that
Holy Ramayan was written by a non-Brahmin
>-- Valmiki -- a
Shudra -- my father has been active in
>upliftment of Valmiki Samaj
-traditionally engaged in
>cleaning work in India. King
Vishwamitra was a
>non-Brahmin who attained the status of Brahmarshi
-
>the highest level a Brahmin could hope to attain -
>through
his meditation.
>
>However, it is true that knowledge was
considered
>secret and could only be passed on through
chosen
>disciples - mostly sons. Even in 20th century I know
>of
Ayurveda-charyas who did not even write down the
>new discoveries they
made -the amazing new potions
>they had concocted --for the fear that
rivals would
>steal away patients from them. I know of one such
man
>-who died suddenly without even telling his disciple
>(his
own son) and all knowledge was lost.
>
>Shudras in earlier era
were considered untouchables --
>and thus possibly were not allowed to
come near
>Brahmin teachers - there was no paper and no
books
>then for anyone to read from. Instruction was only
>oral
-- handed down from generation. Leaf writings
>were hard and used
perhaps only for manuscripts - one
>copy of the knowledge
gathered--not for mass use.
>
>Secular knowledge was also taught
by the shop keepers
>etc - as shown in one of Satyajit Ray films (Appu
?)
>to all village children - those who were not
>considered
untouchable.
>
> I think this was even in the West --
where the system
>of serf and the lords/knights
prevailed.
>
>Umesh
>
>Barua25
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I donot think there is such a
thing
>(Education carriculum where everybody
knows every
>"Know-worthy" knowledge by 16 years
).
>
>The Hindus called it super knowledge or
higher
>science, the Brahmagyan, and spent years under a
Guru
>in the old Ashrams trying to acquire this. That is
how
>the Hindu Upanishads got written supposed to contain
>the
essence of knowledge, the Brahmagyan. Hindus
>believed that
if one can learn this higher knowledge
>or Brahmagyan, one will be
able to know everything
>else. Only the Brahmins were
allowed to acquire this
>knowledge, the Sudras and women were
prohibited from
>his knowledge (Manu's Law: hot oil will be poured
in
>the ears of such Sudras who hear or try to read the
>Vedas)
. Today of course all the Sudras in India know
>that, that super
knowledge or Brahmagyan is of course
>Twat Tam Asi (Thou
art that) that is to say 'You are
>God' is the Brahman which is
everywhere.
>
>Primary education is more important in India, and
lot
>need to be done.
>
>On a practical side, the present
twelve year school
>system, at least in America, gives the student an
all
>round education in liberal arts, science, music and
>sports
so much so that many American students in fact
>donot feel the need to
go to college once and if they
>find a good job after school
graduation. As a result
>most of the Universities in USA
today, at least in
>higher studies, are supported by
foreign students,
>Chinese and Indian, who clamour for more
higher
>knowledge compared to their American counter
parts. I
>do not know about school education in India, but
I
>would hope that school education in India too
has
>improved a lot compared to our days when I
remember
>studying same Indian history for four years
repeating
>the same thing again and again and learning
nothing.
>
>Modern practical American trend is however that you
go
>to school all your life. The moment you stop learning,
>you
grow old and die.
>
>RB
>
>
>----- Original
Message -----
>From: mc mahant
>To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Cc: assam@assamnet.org
>Sent:
Thursday, December 08, 2005 7:27 PM
>Subject: Re: [Assam] UNGEI:
Glorious Hindu Nations!
>
>
>
>Could any body
propose and draw the framework for a
>totally revamped
Education carriculum where everybody
>knows every
"Know-worthy" knowledge by 16 years --and
>she/he stops going to
schoolhouses. Then on
>he/she/it learns
anything from the OPEN E-School.
>UNESCO ought to have done this by
now.
>Alas! they too are afraid of CHANGE.
Bush-like
>moneybags might cut off funds
again.
>mm
>
>
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>From: umesh
sharma
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: assam@assamnet.org
>Subject: [Assam]
UNGEI: Glorious Hindu Nations!
>Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005
23:45:48 +0000 (GMT)
>
>
>
http://www.ungei.org/gap/pdfs/unicef_gap_low_res.pdf
>shows (in pages
28 - 33) the sad state of school
>education in India & Nepal (and
also Pak,
>Afghanistan).
>
> At one level I
agree with the Indian communists that
>religion has played a major
role in keeping modern
>education from lots of children -and
spreading
>ignorance. Hindu Kingdom Nepal and Hindu
dominated
>India (as well as Islamic Pak, Afghan) have
the
>maximum proportion of children out of
school.
>
> Glorious India leads the world in number
of children
>out of school - 28 million --compared to 10
million
>for entire East Asia (see page 28 of the report).
And
>RSS chief (perhaps competing with the Pope's
recent
>similar outburst) calls for ever increasing
population
>growth of his co-religionists and hailing mothers
with
>more children. Itis rumoured
>that Islamic preachers have
always done the same.
>
> It is found that more
educated mothers have lesser
>children -- so it goes with logic that
religious
>figures would now try to prevent spread of
modern
>education -- so that they can safely promote
>population
explosion to ignorant masses .
>
> Any
comments?
>
>
Umesh
>
>
>
>
>Umesh Sharma
>5121
Lackwanna ST
>College Park, MD 20740
>
>1-202-215-4328
[Cell Phone]
>
>Ed.M. - International Education
Policy
>Harvard Graduate School of Education,
>Harvard
University,
>Class of
2005
>
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