That I would call a twisted Hindu
logic.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 5:10
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] IE: Anti-conversion
law in Rajasthan?
Rajen-da,
Just like Right to live does not mean Right to kill --though
everyone who is born must die sometime. Perhaps similalrly, just because
religions spread by getting converted to a faith or belief -- does not mean
that you get license to convert others.
Ram:
In one recent email, we discussed this very
issue, (That Hindus believe that one
has to be born a Hindu and that they donot convert)
and my answer was same as now:
The Tai Ahoms in Assam, all
the Hindus in South East Asia, to say the least, were all converted to
Hindus. They were not BORN Hindus as you try to
cliam.
Even in India, all non
Aryans were were picked up and converted to Hindus en mass at one time
or another, and that is how Hinduism grew. So your
assumption that Hindus donot convert was wrong.
To this you replied that you
would check on this point and would respond.
I donot find the email now. I
might have deleted. But that does not make any difference. If you donot
remember, you may ignore my remarks now and just try to respond to the
question now afresh.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 4:40
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] IE:
Anti-conversion law in Rajasthan?
>According to
the last email, you were supposed to check and
>respond.
>Just reminding you that
you owe the net a response before >you jump to repeat the same
thing.
>(At least Himenda is
silent on several issues where he could >not respond.)
Could you please explain this
or what you mean by this? Once you give some satisfactory response, I will
then try to respond to the other points.
Till
then.
On 4/10/06, Rajen
Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>IMHO, this is NOT a win/lose game. Hindus are NOT
in the conversion game because most Hindus believe that one has to be
born a Hindu. They really don't care if someone >converts to Hinduism
or not. My understanding is that Hinduism is quite restrictive in
that sense.
As pointed out in some
other earlier message, your understanding is not correct.
The Tai Ahoms in Assam, all
the Hindus in South East Asia, to say the least, were all converted
to Hindus. They were not BORN Hindus as you try to
cliam.
And if you claim Buddhism
as a branch of Hindusim, then all the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans,
Burmese, Thais, Laosians, Vietnamis wer converted.
Even in India, all non
Aryans were were picked up and converted to Hindus en mass at one
time or another, and that is how Hinduism grew.
It was the big
fish eating the little fish. The history of
Hinduism is very clear on this.
According to
the last email, you were supposed to check and
respond.
Just reminding you that you
owe the net a response before you jump to repeat the same
thing.
(At least Himenda is silent
on several issues where he could not respond.)
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 3:32
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] IE:
Anti-conversion law in Rajasthan?
Good oints Ram-dda,
I think the Supreme Court justices took the same view as you.
>The Hindus know that in the Conversion game,
they will loose >because they have nothing to show to these poor
Muslims.That is >sad but true.
IMHO, this is NOT a win/lose game. Hindus are NOT in
the conversion game because most Hindus believe that one has to be
born a Hindu. They really don't care if someone converts to Hinduism
or not. My understanding is that Hinduism is quite restrictive in
that sense.
>because they have nothing to show to these poor
Muslims.
And what would you like Hinduism to show or promise
new converts? It will be interesting to find out what one "gets"
by converting.
>So Freedom of Religion without Freedom for
Conversion does not >make any sense.
While this is true, it is still difficult to
uphold some kinds of conversion like in forcible conversions or by
promising or enticing the unwary with cash or other things
in this earth, or 79 virgins in heaven.
About Freedom of Religion, let us extend this a
bit:
What if I think "my religion" requires me to
advocate against gay marriages or abortion. Will any restriction
placed on my practice curtail my Freeddom of Religion?
Just curious.
--Ram
On 4/9/06, Barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It (the Freedom to Convert) also goes
for the benefits of the Hindus. They can convert thousands or
millions of poor Muslims in every city in India, if they want
to covert. The only reason the Hindus oppose Conversion,
in my mind, is that the Hindus are not interested to convert these
poor Muslims in India to Hinduism and serve them, because they
know that these Muslims are enjoying a better life of equality
being Muslim than being a Hindu. The Hindus know that in
the Conversion game, they will loose because they have nothing to
show to these poor Muslims.That is sad but true.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006
9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] IE:
Anti-conversion law in Rajasthan?
Right to Freedom of Religion is
intricately connected to conversion. For me to change my religion,
I must be influenced by that religion and I will need somebody to
formally accept me in that religion. >From another angle that
can be viewed as conversion. So
Freedom of Religion without Freedom for Conversion does not make
any sense.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 08,
2006 2:30 PM
Subject: [Assam] IE:
Anti-conversion law in Rajasthan?
Please note that Supreme Court in India clarifiied last
year that there is definitely Right to Freedom of Religion but
there is no Right to convert others.The case had been filed by
Christian missionaries who want to convert members of other
faiths - mostky Hindus but also Muslims (in kashmir etc) , Sikhs
(in Punjab, Chhatisgarh etc) and Buddhists . The most famous
Sikh to convert to Christianity -as per reports - was the Sikh
King - Dalip Singh who then settled in London- while under
British rule.
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