Are our ab-inito instructors losing their XC Skills? I was lucky to have a couple of instructors who did take me on a short XC or two. Was not far, and probably not much out of glide range, but it looked like it in my early days. I was hooked!
Sent from my iPhone > On 1 Feb 2015, at 11:09 am, aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net wrote: > > Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to > aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Two Seater Nationals (DMcD) > 2. Re: Two Seater Nationals (Derek Ruddock) > 3. Re: xc during training (Jenny Ganderton) > 4. Re: Two Seater Nationals (Leigh Bunting) > 5. Re: xc during training (DMcD) > 6. Re: xc during training (Greg Wilson) > 7. Re: xc during training (John Parncutt) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 18:02:21 +1100 > From: DMcD <slutsw...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Two Seater Nationals > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> > Message-ID: > <cad0mmpwfn12ocpvmwghgkk8vo5zebhzbqg42fsnqxfrf97c...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >>> the GFA pilot training programme for more cross-country exposure during the >>> ab-initio stage. > > Who said that! > > If only that happened more during training. IMHO, that's the single > most important thing for a club to do when trying to make the > conversion from student pilot to addicted and committed flyer. Having > done enough HG flying to know what I was up for, the endless circuit > training did not kill my enthusiasm but it can. > > My son said at one point that he was wondering what it was all about > until he got to cloud base on day? and I don't think anyone ever took > him XC during training. > > I have tried to persuade our club to stop the clock and some point and > say to students at some point, "this is not being charged for? we're > going to fly somewhere for an hour to show you why we all do it." > > I'm sure it would make a big difference to the number of pilots who > drop out after going solo. But then we don't have something like the > DG which would make getting home more likely than in a Grob or K21 > :-) > > D > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 19:54:28 +1100 > From: "Derek Ruddock" <drudd...@iinet.net.au> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Two Seater Nationals > To: "'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'" > <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> > Message-ID: <005401d03d33$86432c40$92c984c0$@iinet.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > You don't need a DG1000: take the K13! (but don't go as far :) ) > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of DMcD > Sent: Saturday, 31 January 2015 6:02 PM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Two Seater Nationals > >>> the GFA pilot training programme for more cross-country exposure during the >>> ab-initio stage. > > Who said that! > > If only that happened more during training. IMHO, that's the single most > important thing for a club to do when trying to make the conversion from > student pilot to addicted and committed flyer. Having done enough HG flying > to know what I was up for, the endless circuit training did not kill my > enthusiasm but it can. > > My son said at one point that he was wondering what it was all about until he > got to cloud base on day? and I don't think anyone ever took him XC during > training. > > I have tried to persuade our club to stop the clock and some point and say to > students at some point, "this is not being charged for? we're going to fly > somewhere for an hour to show you why we all do it." > > I'm sure it would make a big difference to the number of pilots who drop out > after going solo. But then we don't have something like the DG which would > make getting home more likely than in a Grob or K21 > :-) > > D > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 11:03:36 +0000 > From: Jenny Ganderton <jennygander...@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] xc during training > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> > Message-ID: > <1422702216.56669.yahoomailandroidmob...@web172603.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > A decent trailer in the event of said two seated landing out would provide a > lot more incentive! > > BR Jenny > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20150131/ab90d437/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 22:13:38 +1030 > From: Leigh Bunting <vh_...@internode.on.net> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Two Seater Nationals > To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > Message-ID: <54ccbfea.1070...@internode.on.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Funny, I've heard that same argument to justify replacing a Kookaburra > with a Blanik; a Banik with a K21 and now, a K21 with A DG-1000!!! And > before my time, probably a Zogling with a Kookaburra. > > The more things change, the more things stay the same. > > Leigh Bunting > Balaklava GC > >> On 31/1/15 17:32, DMcD wrote: >> I'm sure it would make a big difference to the number of pilots who >> drop out after going solo. But then we don't have something like the >> DG which would make getting home more likely than in a Grob or K21 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 04:13:07 +1100 > From: DMcD <slutsw...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] xc during training > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> > Message-ID: > <CAD0mMPzYCTN8ZdFwG8QXG2ONSWoDntAnNU6=fbodpr8bbxz...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >>>> A decent trailer in the event of said two seated landing out would provide >>>> a lot more incentive! > > Or a lighter glider which did not need a small army of helpers to get > it back to the club. And a decent GPS which would find its way back to > the club without getting lost. > > The end product of this is that the student pilot on board ends up > paying more for beer and munga than for the tow and tuition! No wonder > paragliders are so popular. > > D > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 10:22:24 +1100 > From: Greg Wilson <g...@gregwilson.id.au> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] xc during training > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> > Message-ID: > <14b424d6b69.b85266e928326.6254139635199932...@gregwilson.id.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > As is usually the case, the discussion here has side-tracked well away from > the point... > I couldn't agree more - if we want to turn students into keen cc pilots, we > need to take them on an xc flight early in the their training, before they're > bored to death with circuits. > It doesn't need to be a top class 2 seater or 500 klm. The point is to give > them a taste of xc & keep them interested. > We should be doing this as part of the training regime. > Cheers, > Greg > > > > > ---- On Sun, 01 Feb 2015 04:13:07 +1100 slutsw...@gmail.com wrote ---- >>>A > decent trailer in the event of said two seated landing out would provide a > lot more incentive! > > > > Or a lighter glider which did not need a small army of helpers to get > > it back to the club. And a decent GPS which would find its way back to > > the club without getting lost. > > > > The end product of this is that the student pilot on board ends up > > paying more for beer and munga than for the tow and tuition! No wonder > > paragliders are so popular. > > > > D > > _______________________________________________ > > Aus-soaring mailing list > > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > > To check or change subscription details, visit: > > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20150201/f5da5517/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 11:09:41 +1100 > From: "John Parncutt" <jparn...@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] xc during training > To: "'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'" > <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> > Message-ID: <007101d03db3$6044b420$20ce1c60$@net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > Absolutely agree Greg, Our club used to discourage pre solo and early post > solo pilots from attending camps. Now we encourage them to come and > experience XC soaring and get involved at an early stage which has proved > highly beneficial to their training. At our last Christmas Camp several new > comers experienced some significant XC flights with instructors with two of > our newest post solo pilots achieving their silver C (well done Tony and > Jackson !). > > > > > > I believe where possible extended soaring flights should always be included > as part of the training, after all that's what our sports all about! > > > > > > > > > John Parncutt, > > > VMFG (Melbourne Gliding Club) > > > > > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Greg Wilson > Sent: Sunday, 1 February 2015 10:22 AM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] xc during training > > > > As is usually the case, the discussion here has side-tracked well away from > the point... > > > > I couldn't agree more - if we want to turn students into keen cc pilots, we > need to take them on an xc flight early in the their training, before they're > bored to death with circuits. > > > > It doesn't need to be a top class 2 seater or 500 klm. The point is to give > them a taste of xc & keep them interested. > > > > We should be doing this as part of the training regime. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Greg > > > > > > > ---- On Sun, 01 Feb 2015 04:13:07 +1100 slutsw...@gmail.com wrote ---- > >>>> A decent trailer in the event of said two seated landing out would provide >>>> a lot more incentive! > > > > Or a lighter glider which did not need a small army of helpers to get > > it back to the club. And a decent GPS which would find its way back to > > the club without getting lost. > > > > The end product of this is that the student pilot on board ends up > > paying more for beer and munga than for the tow and tuition! No wonder > > paragliders are so popular. > > > > D > > _______________________________________________ > > Aus-soaring mailing list > > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > > To check or change subscription details, visit: > > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20150201/eb173c0f/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > End of Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 137, Issue 1 > ******************************************* _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
