-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 David wrote on 29/11/11 21:56: > ... > > actually we show per default: > > - messages (status/chat/twitter/mail/ubuntu_one) > > - battery > > - bluetooth > > - network > > - sound (volume/music) > > - clock > > - session switcher (switch user) > > - Power (shutdown ...) > > Here is my proposal: > > - me menu - like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeMenu or gnome-shell
Why? What problem would it be solving? > system indicators: (hidden by default, can be shown by clicking on > an arrow) > > - sound > > - battery > > - network > > notification indicators: (hidden by default) > > - messages - like http://ubuntuone.com/3pQaNx9TdpPXEZHMIjPgdP If the messaging menu was hidden by default, what use would it be? > - devices How do you classify devices under "notification indicators"? What would this notify you of? > - updates > > - update all > > - ---------- > > - Ubuntu > > - ---------- > > - App1 > > - App2 - ... People didn't see the updates notification area item even when it was shown by default. What use would it be if it was hidden? :-) Also, a menu item wouldn't show enough information for you to be able to decide whether you want to update a particular application. > - progress - like > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana/ProgressIndication - ... Why? What would be the use of collecting progress of different tasks into a menu? (As a comparison, should we also collect errors from different tasks into a single menu? Why or why not? How about selected text from different tasks? Or the most recently opened file from different tasks?) > How it should work: > > - per default only the me menu should be visible. > > - clock: To be able to do that we need to find a new place for the > clock. (launcher/dash?) The Dash is hidden by default, and the launcher is usually hidden. Do you think it is reasonable to hide the clock most of the time? > - networking: is most of the time not needed (automatic connects at > lan/known wlan/usb/...) > > - battery: is only interesting when its discharging Your arrangement would hide it even when it is discharging. > - sound: annoying when its hidden and you don't have hardware > buttons Does that mean it should be shown by default? > - indicators are only visible when needed > > - you can click on an arrow to see > > - battery > > - network > > - sound (hides automatic when you move your mouse away from the > panel) > > - we could show a number for how many notifications happened (3 in > messages, 2 downloads, ...) > > - only notifications and system indicators should be allowed > > - To do that we need to find the use cases of the other indicators > and find ways to handle them (i didn't really do that) > > - for some indicators it might be enough to use quicklist? > (tomboy) I agree there's no compelling reason for a note-taking application to have its own status menu. > - we could improve "minimize" > > - good for apps like opera/lernid/... that wants to hide their > main window > > - every application could be hidden by minimizing it > > - minimized apps could be shown ass small icons at the bottom in > the launcher > > - easier to have a feature to start apps "hidden" at login. How does this relate to indicator menus? > - not sure how other indicators like cpu scaling or desktop > recording etc could be handled > > Indicators become visible/hidden when a specific notification > happens: > > - Open Wireless connection found -> notification + network > indicator fades in > > - connection etablished -> notification + if visible network > indicator fades out > > - New mail -> notification + message indicator fades in > > - New chat -> notification + message indicator fades in > > - another new mail -> notification + updated message indicator Do you mean that it would fade in and stay there, or that it would fade in temporarily? > - New Printer found. Installing... -> only notification - Driver > for printer needed -> notification + device menu fades in - > Printer is ready to use -> notification + if visible device > indicator fades out Yesterday I started writing up proposals for how various printer events should be presented. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Printing> > - New updates found -> notification + update indicator fades in > (with feature to update all) - please close firefox to continue > updates -> notification + update indicator change state > > - playing music -> sound menu fades in Hmm, that seems a little bit backwards. Usually when music starts playing, it's because you told it to play, so you don't need a notification in that case. On the other hand, the sound menu currently lets you quickly start music playing in the first place -- and it wouldn't be nearly so quick if it was hidden by default. > - audio conversation (skype and co) -> sound menu fades in > > - sound menu fades out when finished > > - ... > > pro > > - The blue icon effect is no longer needed Hurrah. :-) > - there was a notification when you see an icon > > - there was no notification when there is no icon > > - cleaned up top right corner > > - more place for menus and title (even more important on small > screens) I haven't yet seen an application where this is a problem. Do you know of one? > - better looking > > - Everything is about the application, you see nothing system > releated. Except the Me menu, and perhaps the clock somewhere. > i think this fits good into the vision to integrate applications > with the panel I don't think that's a vision, really. > contra - more clicks needed to do simple things like - changing > volume when no hardware buttons are avaible - bluetooth - > connecting to a network - we could always show the network > indicator when not connected That in particular is an interesting idea. But if you used the menu to connect to one wi-fi network, but then realized you should have connected to another one instead (that happened to me last week), the menu wouldn't be there any more. > remaining questions: - is it ok that the clock is not always > visible? It would be rather strange that a Me menu (that Ubuntu doesn't even have any more!) would be visible by default, but a clock would not. > - where should the clock be? launcher? dash? - should we show the > network-indicator as long as you have never been connected - > people might not know how to connect to the internet - what are > other problems with this? > > I am working on a mockup (in form of a webpage) so that you can > try it out and see how it would work/look. It should be ready in 2 > or 3 days. > > ... I look forward to seeing it. - -- mpt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7Y6ZYACgkQ6PUxNfU6ecqmdwCgmYDUmkeS0dzbFjCcEFCbMW3+ f0kAoMapOc01OrSEslcrfXtDHkFnRrpY =h+KA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp