> That will be the fact that less than 1% of the planet's population lives in the UK?
YouTube has almost as much UK traffic as bbc.co.uk [1]. bbc.co.uk content is used/marketed/referred to overseas by BBC Worldwide and the World Service [2]. My point was that iPlayer¹s impact on media delivery system market shares is probably quite small when compared to the plethora on video sites out there (of which YouTube is the biggest). J [1] http://weblogs.hitwise.com/heather-hopkins/2007/06/youtube_to_overtake_bbc_i n_uk_1.html [2] Example: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/arabic/news/, or go to the homepage and click International version¹. On 16/8/07 10:34, "Brian Butterworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 16/08/07, Jason Cartwright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Does iPlayer contain Silverlight? I've not seen anything to suggest it does. >> >> What the hell does all this matter anyhow, there is no lock in. The tech is >> just being used to deliver the content as per spec, which it seems to be >> doing. Nothing is stopping the BBC ditching MS products for iPlayer at any >> time with a simple (automatically installed?) patch, right? >> >> Seems the anti-DRM protests are misdirected. Why is the yellow jump-suit >> brigade talking to the people who actually have the power to change it? The >> rights holders. We've seen rights-cleared videos being released without DRM >> on bbc.co.uk <http://bbc.co.uk> for years. I don't see anyone hassling Apple >> - but plenty of >> people are hassling record labels, and they have gone on to do something >> about it. > > Good point. They should talk to http://www.pact.co.uk/ but I guess it's the > old "everyone has to pay the licence fee" issue and all the touchy-freely > stuff from the BBC management and BBC Trust (in the vein of "it's your BBC") > which confuses people. There is clearly a problem now as the Trust supports > the management, not the licence-fee payers! > > I guess people read things like this > http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2006/09_september/28/mi > crosoft.shtml > <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2006/09_september/28/m > icrosoft.shtml> and put 10 and 10 together and get 101 (binary joke!). > > > > >> iPlayer installation numbers will be tiny compared to Flash installations - >> you know YouTube gets many, many more visitors that bbc.co.uk >> <http://bbc.co.uk> ? > > > That will be the fact that less than 1% of the planet's population lives in > the UK? > > >> J >> >> >> On 15/8/07 20:15, "Dave Crossland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL >> PROTECTED]> > >> wrote: >> >>> > On 14/08/07, Jason Cartwright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >> The irony is that it probably doesn't matter now. They could now >>>> download it >>>> >> using their Windows XP machine in DRMed Windows Media Format. >>>> >> >>>> >> All thanks to our new overlord Bill, and his maniacal scheme to take >>>> over >>>> >> the BBC from the inside. >>> > >>> > Adobe currently has web video locked down; Apple, Real, Java, Xiph, >>> > and of course Microsoft are all in very niche use compared to Adobe >>> > Flash. Adobe Apollo is a direct competitor to Microsoft Silverlight, >>> > and with the inertia of Flash video and a large group of web designers >>> > already familiar with Flash, plus cheaper a licensing model than >>> > Microsoft, it looks like its in with a chance. The typical Microsoft >>> > response to fair competition is to compete unfairly. >>> > >>> > iPlayer, and a number of other high profile 2007 BBC projects, are >>> > based on Silverlight technology. Highfield's reponse on the Backstage >>> > blog points at the other proprietary technologies the BBC foists on >>> > the public, but these are based on previous technology decisions; the >>> > new stuff is all Silverlight based. >>> > >>> > 100,000 iPlayer sign-ups in a week, Martin? That's 100,000 more >>> > Silverlight installations. Given Microsoft's other major play to >>> > deploy Silverlight is Vista, and we all know how well that's working >>> > out for them this year, its outrageous to me that the BBC has paid >>> > Microsoft _anything_ for forcing license fee payers to install this >>> > key piece of strategic technology for them. Then UK is, afterall, one >>> > of the most broadband-saturated and media-consuming audiences, leading >>> > the way for other nations - Is the BBC likely to open up a >>> > non-zero-price iPlayer to international viewers at somepoint? So this >>> > is a big win for Microsoft's bid to control the next stage of web >>> > development with Silverlight. >>> > >>> > The BBC is committed to shipping a cross-platform iPlayer, and its a >>> > shame that this becomes the sole focus of the reporting on this issue. >>> > An iPlayer for 3 or 4 platforms is 3 or 4 times as worse as an XP-only >>> > iPlayer, because it is imposing DRM on even more people, and implying >>> > that DRM is acceptable. >>> > >>> > When it does ship a cross-platform iPlayer, I expect it will be based >>> > on Novell's Mono Moonlight for GNU/Linux, probably doing the media >>> > codec stuff with the GStreamer framework given that Fluendo, its >>> > sponsor, sells Windows Media Codecs already - >>> > https://shop.fluendo.com/product_info.php?products_id=45 >>> <https://shop.fluendo.com/product_info.php?products_id=45> - and the Mac >>> > OS X one might be Mono or Microsoft based. >>> > >>> > That's going to really help the widespread adoption of Silverlight as >>> > the Rich Internet Application platform of choice. >>> > >>> > In 2007, Google has maintained the dominant position for monetising >>> > search and advertising - of the text web. Their purchase of YouTube >>> > suggested they were serious about monetising the emerging video web, >>> > but the DRM aspects of Silverlight video delivery mean that their >>> > ability to provide search and advertising for web video is going to be >>> > undermined. >>> > >>> > So the BBC hasn't just helped Microsoft pull a Adobe-killer, it's also >>> > helping Microsoft pull a Google-killer. >> >> - >> Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk <http://backstage.bbc.co.uk> discussion >> group. To unsubscribe, please visit >> http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial >> list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > >
