Hello Jonathan, Adam's beaten me to it with his email below.
I think it looks good too but since it's a while til it's technically viable and even once it is, it then has to gain traction with designers I feel we'll be using flash as the de facto standard for video for a long while yet. Adam, H.264 support is out now if you wish to see it: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/hd_video_flash_player.html You'll need latest flash player though: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html S. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Sent: 29 October 2007 10:35 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash accessibility Jonathan, Looks good however it is pretty pointless for the next year or so until SVG and <video> tag support is available in any of the browser releases. I'm extremely impressed with Flash video, It is simple to convert the videos using Flash 8 encoder and the files are pretty small. Can not wait until the H.264 codec support is released. Regards Adam Quoting "~:'' ありがとうございました。" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Simon, > > have you seen this rotating, movable video in svg demo? > http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2007/08/svg-video-demo.html > > regards > > Jonathan Chetwynd > Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet > > > > On 29 Oct 2007, at 09:23, Simon Cobb wrote: > > Hello, > > sorry for late reply, I've been on holiday. I agree that the splash > page is annoying - my 3 year old can't get past it as she can't read > it and doesn't know what it's for. But I guess she is young to surf alone. > > Anyway, back to the point, deep linking is possible right now with a > bit of js: http://www.asual.com/swfaddress/ > > and there are plans to build deep linking into flex3 (due out in early > 2008): > http://flexwiki.adobe.com/confluence/display/ADOBE/Flex+3+Details++-+D > eep+Linking > > There are a couple of other things I'm currently investigating to make > more accessible flash: > > http://blog.space150.com/2007/1/11/faust-flash-augmenting-standards > http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/7-flash-myths/ > > But really, despite the fact that by far the bulk of my programming > experience is in flash, I'm coming around to wondering what really, > really needs to be in flash these days when there are js libraries > like mootools out there. Also, increasingly, I get annoyed with flash > taking the keyboard focus rendering browser keyboard shortcuts > unusable and don't get me started on no text resizing (yes, I know about > sIFR). > > Currently my list to support the use of flash instead of js consists of: > > video > sockets > > err, that's it. > > Anything else seems to be unnecessary but maybe some of you out there > can correct me? > > S. > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of cisnky > Sent: 27 October 2007 16:32 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: Re: [backstage] flash accessibility > > "but flash generally doesn't allow deep linking" > > How do you work that out? > > > On 10/15/07, "~:'' ありがとうございました。" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Simon, > > apologies, can be a bit blunt if not downright wrong at times... > peepo.com and peepo.co.uk are projects I ran for many years, designed > for the independent user who can navigate if not the operating system > then have fun browsing the web if not in a sandbox, a select group of > appropriate links. > but flash generally doesn't allow deep linking, so each time the > visitor comes to this site they need help, to get past the first splash. > > fwiw, by mistake I opened in Opera, and the cursor isn't visible once > in the site, but not in the active window, probably a bug, but a real > nuisance for carers. > > regards > > Jonathan Chetwynd > Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet > > > > On 15 Oct 2007, at 09:40, Simon Cobb wrote: > > I'm sorry Jonathan, I've read this a few times now and I don't > understand your question: "maybe you are considering the webcam > question doesn't need to be switch accessible?" > > This is an interesting subject for me, could you ask the question > another way please? > > Thanks > > S. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of "~:'' > ????????????" > Sent: 15 October 2007 09:21 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: Re: [backstage] flash accessibility > > Simon & Jason, > > maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be > switch accessible? > of course that makes the user dependent on others and is 'frustrating' > to say the least... > Camino 2007101201 2.0a1pre, the smaller window pops open, but seems to > close immediately > > regards > > Jonathan Chetwynd > Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet > > > > On 15 Oct 2007, at 08:45, Simon Cobb wrote: > > > Ah... Apple, the champions of open technology and freedom of the user > to choose. Your choice of computer kind of invalidates your righteous > anger at commerical vendors, no? > > Of course, I'm just being mischevious :) > > Because Flash is my business, I had to go and check your claims on the > Mac on our testbench. > > I'll give you that INTG doesn't work in IE on the Mac. But really, who > is using IE/ Mac? Is it realistic for anyone to have to support it in > 2007? Certainly, cbeebies client statistics agree, showing almost 100% > using a windows based browser. Further, I've also found through my > research on Flash accessibility that almost all users with > accessibility requirements would also usually use a windows-based machine. > > As for the INTG freeze on IE/ Mac, if you want my best guess, I'd say > that IE/ Mac is unable to allow Flash to perform the operating system > check at the start of the INTG application. > > If so, it's ironic because this os check was especially put in for Mac > users. > > Some Macs have a built-in webcam that users might not be aware is on > and thus be baffled when the webcam parts of the game show unexepected > views. > > In order that the application's functionality was most accessible to > all Mac users, this check makes sure the user can nominate the webcam > to use. > > Lastly, for what it's worth, Cbeebies client stats show that almost > 100% of visitors use windows-based machines. > > "space and return don't work in any browser" > > Got to refute that - I just used it in Safari and it worked just fine. > Works in ubuntu linux (my daughter loves this game), works on a > windows machine. I'd say that just about covers it for access unless > through choice you have made flash unavailable. > > S. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of "~:'' > ????????????" > Sent: 13 October 2007 06:30 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: [backstage] flash accessibility > > Some BBC staff have been known to trumpet the accessibility features > of flash. > the BBC is also known to have tied itself into this commercial vendor. > > Can someone explain why on my OS X machine at least the supposedly > switch accessible: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/inthenightgarden/flash/index.shtml > space and return don't work in any browser and IE crashes > > cheers > > Jonathan Chetwynd > Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet > > > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. 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