Yes some people in the BBC are trying to do things differently. The Now Show is available as a full length podcast download for example - completely rights free. In Our Time has a huge archive of programmes without time restrictions.
And who can forget the fun when Radio 3 allowed the downloading of whole Beethoven Experiences. Who can forget http://www.bbc.co.uk/virtualrevolution/ <http://www.bbc.co.uk/virtualrevolution/> ? BBC Introducing on 6music is available as a podcast with... full length music tracks! Now I know what you're thinking, you're thining Andrew... they're different situations. That's not iPlayer Andrew. That's just some podcasts. Some MP3s. Some video clips. That's just a small amount of your large, mostly excellent output. Although Andrew, I don't really like To Buy or Not to Buy and can you do something about EastEnders? To which I'd say. Yes, sir or madam. It is. But the BBC, rights holders, independent production companies... it's like a big giant oil tanker. And of course a big giant oil tanker takes a long time to turn round. How do you say to an independent production company that wants to sell its programmes post BBC broadcast for cash (kerching!) that allowing less restrictions won't harm their business? Well sir - or madam - we find real examples and start gathering the evidence... ________________________________ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Richard P Edwards Sent: 30 September 2010 20:31 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] API into iPlayer content Yes...... but this list was around before GeoIP, and before the Rights holders had a clue about the internet. Equally, the Trust now. I saw exactly the same things happening with music. Now, twenty years later, some of the music Rights holders have got the plot. What I would like to know is whether anyone inside the BBC is actually educating the similar owners of the content in order for them to see things as I/we do? If no one is, then the pace of technical development.... and in addition, earning more income in places, is slowed to a snails pace. Best wishes Richard On 30 Sep 2010, at 18:47, Anthony McKale wrote: Ok puts on bbc hat, lots of us like open source commit to open source etc etc iPlayer's a bit of a special case where were often legally bound not to share the files for Rights reasons or even if we do have the rights we have geoip agreements not to share them abroad, then if we do finally have all the above then we have competition issues with competitors getting rather Annoyed when we share things there trying to sell, And at that point I'd advise everyone interested to contact the bbc trust would decides such things, Basically the way to get our video/audio on the web is flash at the moment, when html 5 matures and gets drm maybe we'll use that or what ever the new kid on the block is, it won't be my decision that's for sure Have a look at the work done for radio aunty and such to see excellent ways of embedding flash into your page Ant On 30/09/2010 17:42, "Alex Cockell" <a...@acockell.eclipse.co.uk> wrote: And by doing so, they're only pissing off their best viewers - the early adopters. Shooting themselves in the foot when hobbyists only want to *help* ----- Original message ----- > They've been going out of their way trying to stop unapproved apps > grabbing content. They put a lot of effort into making sure content is > unavailable to open source systems when simply leaving it as is would > mean anyone could write on top of iPlayer. > > e.g. read the second PDF > http://pjakma.wordpress.com/2010/05/17/bbc-response-to-my-iplayer-drm-fo i-request/ > > Open Source gets a mention under meetings with Technology, Piracy and > Enforcement ticked in the header of the minutes. > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Anthony McKale > <anthony.mck...@bbc.co.uk> wrote: > > Replace BBC with iPlayer and I'd agree with some of those points, it's > > more a indifference and lack of care rather than being directly > > hostile though. > > > > And I'd say that will changes rather soon, due to various management > > changes. > > > > Ps since no one's publicly said I can't.... > > > > Here's some really good ref data feeds (ps like all these feeds > > PROXY-CACHE don't hit feeds directly or you'll kill them) > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/ion/refdata/type/service/ > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/ion/refdata/type/category/ > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/ion/refdata/type/masterbrand/service_type/t v/id > > s/service1/ids/sevice2/ > > > > eg > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/ion/refdata/type/service/discoverable_only/ 1/fo > > rmat/json > > > > Very useful reference feed for ion, ps you guys aren't missing much > > from not having access to the wiki, it's mainly incomplete, inaccurate > > or out-of-date. > > > > Zap > > > > > > On 30/09/2010 13:15, "Iain Wallace" <ikwall...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Unlikely. The BBC have gone out of their way to be hostile to open > > > source attempts at using iPlayer content, however you will find > > > working examples and programs for playing iPlayer stuff on pretty > > > much anything on that same wiki. > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Alex Cockell > > > <a...@acockell.eclipse.co.uk> wrote: > > > > I'm not personally looking for metadata, but it would be great if > > > > some of the open-source players were permitted back into the fold, > > > > meaning that VLC and the like could play BBC content... Especially > > > > for cpu architectures that Adobe don't support. > > > > > > > > Oh, and be able to distribute said player plugins in Linux distro > > > > repositories. > > > > > > > > And I want to be able to play content on my n900 again. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original message ----- > > > > > Not sure what you're looking for, but all the metadata that > > > > > iPlayer pages uses to build a programme page is openly accessible > > > > > http://beebhack.wikia.com/wiki/IPlayer_Metadata > > > > > > > > > > It can't not be otherwise the javascript on those pages wouldn't > > > > > work. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Anthony McKale > > > > > <anthony.mck...@bbc.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > it uses some of them, but iplayer it's self is created from > > > > > > them too > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk on behalf of Mo McRoberts > > > > > > Sent: Wed 9/29/2010 2:52 PM > > > > > > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > > > > > > Subject: Re: [backstage] API into iPlayer content > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 14:23, Anthony McKale > > > > > > <anthony.mck...@bbc.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > yah the feeds aren't https/firewall protected so i'm > > > > > > > guessing no one should > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > or at least it'll be a lesson to them if they didn't want > > > > > > > folks accessing them > > > > > > > > > > > > If memory serves either the EMP SWF itself or the supporting > > > > > > JS makes use of them, which would require their visibility. I > > > > > > could be wrong, though -- I can't for the life of me recall > > > > > > how I came to believe this to be the case, so I could just be > > > > > > making things up. > > > > > > > > > > > > M. > > > > > > - > > > > > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To > > > > > > unsubscribe, please visit > > > > > > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > > > > > > Unofficial list archive: > > > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To > > > > > unsubscribe, please visit > > > > > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > > > > > Unofficial list archive: > > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. 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