Hi,

On Sat, 05 Sep 2009, Kern Sibbald wrote:

> I don't think you have looked into the possibility of doing separate "long 
> term" backups to tape.  If you do it correctly, I am not convinced that the 
> growth in data is as bad as you say.  If you do a Full once a year then 
> incrementals once a month, I think you will have a reasonable solution.

A second independent backup cycle is an option I hadn't considered and it
would reduce the duplicated data a fair bit.  It's obviously also possible
on either type of media (disks/tapes).  It does involve running extra
backup jobs but we can probably survive that.

I'll talk to the budget master about organising disk/tapes for the
long-term archival, thanks.

> I have never understood your "system".  From what I see you are proposing to 
> make incrementals back in time -- that is something that I do not think is 
> possible and with the information you supplied, I could not imagine any 
> practical way to implement a working solution.  It could be that I am missing 
> something.

As I've not explained well enough yet, you might humour me to try 
explain once more.  It's starting to sound like this may be impossible, but
I'm unclear why so I'd at least like to understand that.  I apologise if
this seems like a waste of your time.  

My notion of incremental datasets is that they're somewhat like a
multi-file patch which tells you how to turn dataset1 into dataset2 by
describing the files which have changed.  In general dataset2 is dataset1
at some later date.  I'm breaking that assumption, so perhaps that's where
things go wrong.  As incremental backups bring you forward in time, suppose
we call this decremental backups.

If you have full monthly backup datasets from January to September, is it
(theoretically) possible to create a decremental dataset which, applied to
February could give you the dataset from January?  If you could do that,
you could delete the full backup from January and free up space from the
data which was in both sets.  You could then do the same with
February/March, etc. and still get back to January using the two
decremental datasets and the full job from March.

You're saying you don't think that's possible.  Do you mean that it's
impossible in Bacula or impossible in general?  Is it the creation of a
decremental backup or the creation of one from two existing full backups
that you see as the problem?

Looking at Wikipedia, it would appear that the term "reverse incremental"
is in use by someone already to describe something similar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incremental_backup#Reverse_incremental

Perhaps all of this is academic, but I think there probably are people who
would benefit from it.

Gavin


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