On Wednesday 30 November 2005 05:33, Ryan Novosielski wrote: > Kern, > > This is finally the chance for me to ask my question. ;) > > I'm staring right at the manual as we speak. I clearly don't want Purge > Oldest Volume, as this one is dangerous and doesn't respect retention > periods. However, with regard to Recycle Oldest Volume and Recycle Current > Volume, I see instances where there could be no difference. > > My backup scenario for you, FYI, is a Full every 1st and 3rd Tuesday and > Incrementals between (one tape per week, two tapes total). My fulls are > held a couple hours short of 29 days and my incrementals are held a couple > hours short of 14 days. > > I have not set Recycle Oldest Volume or Recycle Current Volume. When > Monday rolls around, there is no available incremental tape. I have > "Recycle" set on the pool. The manual says that if I don't, I'll have to > manually recyle tapes.
I don't see anywhere in the manual where it says that you must manually recycle the Volume. It says that you must manually change the Recycle flag in order for the volume to be recycled and reused. > I'm guessing one would do this with "update" and > then choosing "recycle flag." Somehow I thought that that would set > whether a tape COULD be recycled, not whether it IS recycled. If you could > clear this up, I'd appreciate it (and would even submit changes to the > manual once I understood it, because as it stands, a lot of these things > are not clear). > > Now on to "Recycle Oldest Volume." I'm guessing this recycles only the > oldest volume if there are no other volumes available. In my case, > however, there is only ever one volume that is in a writable state that is > in the correct pool, and unless my tape handlers mess up, Recycle Oldest > Volume SHOULD always do the same thing as Recycle Current Volume, because > the oldest volume in the pool is the one that should be written to, the > one that's in the drive, and also the oldest. > > Hopefully this all made sense. Basically my question is: which of these do > I want? In my setup, does it not make any difference? If I say oldest (in > my opinion, safer, even though my retention periods are set properly, just > because it relies on age rather than my tape handlers), will it still > recycle the current volume if it is also the oldest? I'm sorry. I do not know how to give you advice on what you want. This is particularly true in the case of Reclycle Oldest Volume and Recycle Current Volume, both of which I feel are directives that should be avoided. Perhaps someone on the list, particularly someone who has used or uses these directives can help you. > > Sorry this is so long, but I needed to be clear -- hope I have done so! > > ---- _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ > > |Y#| | | |\/| | \ |\ | | | Ryan Novosielski - User Support Spec. III > |$&| |__| | | |__/ | \| _| | [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 973/972.0922 (2-0922) > > \__/ Univ. of Med. and Dent.| IST/AST - NJMS Medical Science Bldg - C630 > > On Thu, 24 Nov 2005, Kern Sibbald wrote: > > On Thursday 24 November 2005 10:20, Gilberto Nunes Ferreira wrote: > >> Sir Kern and Ryan > >> > >> I understand what you said, but I ask for my company to by more tape > >> and the answer is "NO WAY, MAKE A MIRACLE.... :-)" ... > > > > Good luck. > > > >> I have only 10 tape for my all jobs... > >> > >> I need that bacula recycling a tape after 10 days of used. I keep my > >> data for 7 days in a single tape. > >> > >> Acording to manual, a tape is recycling only if your status is "Full", > >> right?!?!? > > > > Not quite, but you are getting close. It must be Purged first. > > > >> How set bacula to change the status to Full?!?! > > > > update volume > > > >> My company almost want change your software backup to another solution, > >> but I try to keep bacula working on my net... > >> > >> Please any help is welcome. > > > > For more automatic ways, see: > > > > > > http://www.bacula.org/dev-manual/Configuring_Director.html#SECTION0001410 > >000000000000000 > > > > Scroll down to > > Recycle Oldest Volume = <yes|no> > > Recycle Current Volume = <yes|no> > > Purge Oldest Volume = <yes|no> > > > >> Thanks so much! > >> > >> On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 17:07:24 +0100, Kern Sibbald wrote > >> > >> > On Wednesday 23 November 2005 16:52, Ryan Novosielski wrote: > >> >> Exactly -- read the manual and look for the config parameters that I > >> >> mentioned below. > >> > > >> > Perhaps this doesn't apply to Gilberto, but I suspect so: > >> > > >> > I would add to what Ryan says because we have seen a lot of similar > >> > complaints lately, and the bottom line of all of them is that most > >> > of you are running on the ragged edge. This means, in general, that > >> > you have no margin of safety. Most of you are asking Bacula to > >> > destroy a previous backup that is still valid. I.e. you want to > >> > write over a tape that has the only full backup say from last week. > >> > > >> > Bacula won't normally do this without a lot of arm twisting. The > >> > features exist, you just need to read the document to find them. > >> > Some of them are marked "The use of this directive is not > >> > recommended ...". > >> > > >> > If you find yourself in this situation, you may be risking your > >> > company's data, and the simple solution is to buy more tapes and use > >> > a longer cycle so you are sure you are not writing over the last > >> > full backup made a week ago. > >> > > >> > All this is in the manual. The manual is big, so sometimes it is > >> > hard to find, but look at the table of contents and the index, and > >> > read, read, read. For those of you who do not easily read English -- > >> > I'm sorry, its our only manual at the current time ... :-( > >> > > >> >> ---- _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ > >> >> > >> >> |Y#| | | |\/| | \ |\ | | | Ryan Novosielski - User Support Spec. > >> >> | III $&| |__| | | |__/ | \| _| | [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 973/972.0922 > >> >> | (2-0922) > >> >> > >> >> \__/ Univ. of Med. and Dent.| IST/AST - NJMS Medical Science Bldg - > >> >> C630 > >> >> > >> >> Gilberto Nunes Ferreira wrote: > >> >>>Well > >> >>> > >> >>>The resume is this: > >> >>> > >> >>>My Pool don't recycling any tape, because the volume stay in append > >> >>> status... I have to change the status for Full manually and I not > >> >>> want to do so... > >> >>> > >> >>>How can I set bacula to do this automatic?!?!? > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:16:28 -0500, Ryan Novosielski wrote > >> >>> > >> >>>>I don't know what you're writing to the tapes -- you really haven't > >> >>>>said > >> >>>>(not what, really, but how much and how many times). Try looking > >> >>>>into the Maximum Volume Jobs and Volume Use Duration (I may be hazy > >> >>>>on the names). This should be a clue. > >> >>>> > >> >>>>Gilberto Nunes Ferreira wrote: > >> >>>>>Hi all > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>My problem is so quiet simple (I hope): > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>I have this pool in bacula-dir.conf: > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>Pool { > >> >>>>> Name = Night > >> >>>>> Pool Type = Backup > >> >>>>> Recycle = yes > >> >>>>> AutoPrune = yes > >> >>>>> Volume Retention = 14 days > >> >>>>> Maximum Volumes = 10 > >> >>>>>} > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>># Default pool definition > >> >>>>>Pool { > >> >>>>> Name = Saturday > >> >>>>> Pool Type = Backup > >> >>>>> Recycle = yes > >> >>>>> AutoPrune = yes > >> >>>>> Volume Retention = 7 days > >> >>>>> Maximum Volumes = 2 > >> >>>>>} > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>I have 10 tapes in the Night Pool, with this labels: > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>monday > >> >>>>>tuesday > >> >>>>>wednesday > >> >>>>>thursday > >> >>>>>friday > >> >>>>>monday-2 > >> >>>>>tuesday-2 > >> >>>>>wednesday-2 > >> >>>>>thursday-2 > >> >>>>>friday-2 > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>I use the five first tapes to one week and the other five tape for > >> >>>>> the next week immediately following... The backup runs every > >> >>>>> night, execpt Saturday and Sunday night, at 23hs00. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>And the saturday pool, i have two tapes, whit this labels: > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>Saturday > >> >>>>>Saturday-2 > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>I use this two tape one saturday yes and one saturday no... > >> >>>>>The backup runs every saturday, at 13hs00. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>The Pool called Saturday work very well... > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>But the Pool Night is so complicated... > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>The night pool backup the file very well. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>But when the schedule Catalog runs, the tape is not mark whit Full > >> >>>>> Status... > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>How can I set bacula to mark tape whit Full status, by recycling > >> >>>>> the volume to used the same volume that to be use another day? > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>Thanks > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>Acesse o link abaixo para conhecer nossa empresa: > >> >>>>>http://www.selbetti.com.br/apresentacao > >> >>>>>__________________________ > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>Nome: Gilberto Nunes > >> >>>>>Selbetti Equip. 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