Hi, 
But there are always two - one in each end of the leash. I am a human being
and I hope I sometimes is a little bit more educated than the dog when it
comes to intellectual thinking. I am the one who can decide not to be a
strength in one end causing my dog a damage.
We are many, also many on the list, who very well know the kind and soft
methods of training without any pinches and jerks will give you a so much
happier and healthier dog.
I am also one of them who is quite uninterested in obedience classes or
training for my dog. My dog got a close "human" natural training in everyday
life and I do not enjoy competitions in general and not competitions in
obedience. 
I see no need for prong or pitch collars or no other cruelty to animals.

I leave this topic and will in the future concentrate on the positive things
discusssed on the list and how we as humans can help our Bernerfriends.
Margareta Strand

" It is not the collar that
> causes the injury but the human on the end of the leash."
> 


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