On Jul 6, 2011, at 16:08, Adam R. Maxwell wrote:

> 
> On Jul 6, 2011, at 02:10 , Christiaan Hofman wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Jul 6, 2011, at 5:01, Adam R. Maxwell wrote:
>> 
>>> Christiaan,
>>> 
>>> In glancing at my console log today, I noticed this cropping up during the 
>>> build/test process.  Any idea what it might be?  It's fairly recent.
>>> 
>> 
>> No clue. Was this fixed after you changed the build script? Are these 
>> console logs or build logs?
> 
> Console log, and it's been showing up since at least 29 June (my log stops 
> there).  I think it must be from the unit testing build phase.
> 

I found the culprit, a log for testing that wasn't removed.

>>> Probably unrelated, but I'm still using Xcode 3, since I loathe Xcode 4's 
>>> window management and interface changes.  Not sure if I'll switch, but does 
>>> BD build under Xcode 4?
>>> 
>> 
>> No, BibDesk currently does not build under Xcode 4, because Xcode 4 does not 
>> support building for PPC nor does it contain the 10.5 SDK (which is needed 
>> for backwards compatibility of some libraries such as libcrypto).
> 
> Dropping the 10.5 SDK while 10.6 is the current OS is slimy, IMO, even for 
> Apple.  

Yea, I also complained about that on the xcode users list, though somehow that 
wasn't really accepted. I was even scolded by Apple developers for pointing to 
someone (on the same list, and including warnings) who pointed out a way around 
it. Amazing.

> Have they ever acknowledged the problem with libcrypto?  

I don't remember whether I ever reported it myself, I cannot find a report from 
me. It is certainly widely known, there's no question they know this, and I 
think I have seen emails from Apple developers acknowledging it. For sure they 
don't seem to have any interest in fixing it.

> I've pretty much quit filing bug reports, since I have doc bugs that have 
> been open for years, and they refused to fix the Mail crashes I deal with 
> (multiple times per day).
> 
>> Unfortunately, Xcode 3.x is reported not to run on Lion, so I guess we will 
>> have to drop 10.5 and PPC support when Lion comes out. At that point BibDesk 
>> will be able to build on Xcode 3.x and Xcode 4.x.
> 
> The word is that Xcode 3 runs, but isn't supported.  I suppose you saw this 
> thread:
> 
> http://lists.apple.com/archives/xcode-users/2011/Jul/msg00041.html
> 

You're right, it seems to be running, but is not supported and cannot be 
installed.

I wonder whether it's possible to archive the whole developer folder for 3.2.6 
and later unarchive it in place in a Lion installation.

> I'm still debating whether I want to move to Lion.  I find nothing compelling 
> in it.
> 
> -- 
> Adam


I also haven't seen much that makes me really want to buy it. I usually wait 
for at least the x.1 release anyway, the initial version always has too many 
problems.

Have you heard from anyone who has access to the previews about whether BibDesk 
runs fine on Lion? I know Skim seems to have no problem.

Christiaan


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