I only have about 140 if I count the lambs.  However, since the market 
will not allow me to receive what they are worth, and I did not get the 
research grant for rotational grazing to improve pastures, then I will 
have to thin out the flock.  What will stay will be the ones that remain 
healthy and require no assistance.  Unless I can market them through a 
website that I am trying to get set up.  If I can market them as pets 
and 4 legged lawnmowers, then the situation may change.

Barb:
I really appreciate the efforts you have made and the amount of time you 
have committed to testing the various changes you have made.  Personally 
I rely too much on memory.  I worked in a paper intensive agency for 30 
years and just am burned out on that paperwork stuff.

Cecil

The Wintermutes wrote:
> Barb, 
> 
> I for one like the research you do.  Although it doe not always apply for
> our environment, it is of interest so we know not to go that route.  We have
> considered planting one field in turnips since the sheep some to love them
> so much.  But it is cost prohibitive. Lately it seems that the "ax" has been
> swung towards Mark and I so much, we are tired and basically are trying to
> stay out of it.  Sometimes I just can't seem to do that.  
> 
> We have over 500 sheep so I know exactly what you are going through.  
> 
> Sharon
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb Lee
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:54 PM
> To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] The Beet Pulp Experiment
> 
> Sharon,
> 
> If my current thinking continues to reel out on this same track, I 
> visualize either going to a breed where the groundwork is already done 
> (what's the fun in that), or hm..what other word is there...hybridizing?
> 
> My greatest disappointment at this point is that I feel I am talking to 
> a mud fence.  There is neither reinforcement, nor opposition.  I've put 
> my neck on the proverbial chopping block with all this stuff I'm talking 
> about.  I've handed a lot of people the axe.  Why isn't anybody at least 
> taking a swing? What's the point if nobody is willing to contribute? 
> For all my talk, I know full well that without the genetic input from 
> other well founded breeding programs, my own feeble attempt at breed 
> improvement is doomed.
> 
> Barb
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "The Wintermutes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info>
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 11:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] The Beet Pulp Experiment
> 
> 
>> Barb,
>>
>> You stated"
>>
>> My problem is, I am too stubborn to give
>> up the notion that I can adapt my registered flock to meet my
>> expectation (I have a few that never disappoint me).  It's getting to 
>> be
>> an expensive hobby though.  I love the lamb so much, I do not want to
>> risk outcrossing. I have even been thinking about infusing some polled
>> blood into the flock (these would never be registered as AB), to see 
>> if
>> I could improve reproductive performance without going outside the
>> blackbelly.  Actually my best performing lamb this year is a ram lamb
>> with tiny little horn buds - he's almost smooth headed.  Where did 
>> that
>> come from in a flock with very good horns!!  What's the connection? 
>> The
>> ewe, a registered AB, milked like a cow and has a pedigree of horns.
>>
>> My dilemma is now, whether several more years of selection for a 
>> higher
>> plane of performance within my AB flock will be repaid in value added 
>> to
>> the sale of proven breeding stock, or if I should just stick to meat
>> production.  There is little point in continuing to register animals 
>> if
>> the goal isn't to improve them.   It's a big problem, because I would
>> like to some day make exceptional quality breeding stock available to
>> other producers, but not for $45 a lamb...more like $450 a lamb.  If I
>> give up on that, I lose half my interest in my work."
>>
>> Don't feel like you are the only breeder with these questions.
>>
>> One thing I would like to point out is that genetic diversity produces
>> better animals.  One thing I do remember from my genetics classes at 
>> the
>> university is one amazing statement the professor made. "Without 30
>> different base lines it is impossible to keep a blood line pure." 
>> This is a
>> common theme among geneticists all though the number of base lines 
>> vary.
>> Nearly all of the current AB and BB lines are from only 2 different 
>> base
>> lines.  Without some out-crossing, it is nearly impossible to keep the 
>> breed
>> alive.  We are using BB and AB together to produce better quality and 
>> size.
>> Even within these two lines, there have been out-crossing before we 
>> started
>> with them.
>>
>> The influence of previous breeders with Rambouillet and Mouflon is 
>> quite
>> prevalent in all the flocks we have visited over the years.  The 
>> pictures we
>> have of "Caribbean" BB, although similar, have more color variations 
>> that
>> what is prevalent here in the United States.
>>
>> Sharon Wintermute
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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