They acquired coccidia eating or drinking water contaminated with fecal. What
other animals do you have in your farm? What watering system do you have? I
had coccidia problem in my herd before but that was when I was raising ducks
too. Now I don't have ducks and I reduced the size of the water bucket to a 5
gal pail, also I have a dog watering system and some of my sheep learned how to
use it. The pail is over concrete blocks one step over the soil level and that
is helping to to keep goats/sheep's hoofs trimmed. My water system is
automatic, and at least every week I am cleaning the pail.
Have a great day!!!
Andy
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> From: Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] wasting away could be coccidiosis
> To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
> Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 9:40 AM
> This is good information. Though I have anything but
> intensive
> manangement (I only have 10sheep on 5 acre)I can easily
> collect a fecal
> and take it to the vet.
>
> Thank you,
>
> John
>
> At 03:07 PM 8/18/2008, you wrote:
> >IT certainly could be coccidia. If they are
> experiencing bloody
> scours, then
> >coccidia would be almost certain. Corid is the drug of
> choice for
> coccidia.
> >Sulfa also works.
> >There is a new drug called MARQUIS for coccidia. I
> have not had a
> problem
> >with this for so long I forgot. I did a quick review
> of the symptoms
> and
> >sometimes coccidiosis presents without bloody scours.
> It damages the
> >intestinal lining so this would explain the wasting
> away.
> >
> >My memory is beginning to fail me some on these
> diseases/symptoms.
> >
> >Cecil in OKla
>
> Yes, I would say that coccidiosis is the most likely
> culprit. Barb Lee
> has
> experienced wasting problems, and found out it was
> coccidiosis. She
> reported
> that supplementing selenium seemed to solve her problem,
> where
> coccidiostats
> didn't.
>
> Julian
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> 4. Re: wasting away (Dayna Denmark)
> 5. Re: Wasting Away (helen)
> 6. Re: Wasting Away (AP)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:41:02 -0400
> From: "Pantalone, John A \(GE Infra,
> Energy\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away
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> I have had 3 sheep in the last two months die from
> progressively wasting
> away. From the moment I notice thin ribs and hips, it
> takes about 1-2
> weeks for them to die. I noticed another one today and am
> at a loss. I
> have tried administering antibiotics (LA200 and B12), but
> they seem to
> die within a day or two anyway.
>
> These sheep have been with me for a few years (or born
> here), however, I
> have recently (about 4mths ago) introduced several Royal
> White Sheep to
> my flock. The mature Royal Whites had scrapies ear tags.
> My original
> flock had never been tested. They all eat grass regularly
> (with a bit
> of grain) and get minerals.
>
> Anybody have any ideas?
>
> John
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:07:59 -0700 (PDT)
> From: AP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away
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> You need to check the lower eyelid of your animals to look
> for signs of
> anemia, if they have anemia then you need to use dewormer
> as soon as
> posible. I have good experience using garlic juice, and
> oregano to help
> the dewormer. Normally I gave 2 or 3 cc orally of garlic
> juice. You
> would find garlic juice and oregano at the supermarket.
> Other people
> recommend the use of parsley too.
>
> Have a great day!!!
>
> Andy
>
>
>
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> --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy)
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > From: Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy)
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away
> > To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
> > Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 1:41 PM I have had 3
> sheep in the last
> > two months die from progressively wasting away. From
> the moment I
> > notice thin ribs and hips, it takes about 1-2 weeks
> for them to die.
> > I noticed another one today and am at a loss. I have
> tried
> > administering antibiotics (LA200 and B12), but they
> seem to die within
>
> > a day or two anyway.
> >
> > These sheep have been with me for a few years (or born
> here), however,
>
> > I have recently (about 4mths ago) introduced several
> Royal White Sheep
>
> > to my flock. The mature Royal Whites had scrapies ear
> tags.
> > My original
> > flock had never been tested. They all eat grass
> regularly (with a bit
>
> > of grain) and get minerals.
> >
> > Anybody have any ideas?
> >
> > John
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:39:39 -0400
> From: "Onalee Israel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away
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> Have you wormed your sheep? If not, then I would suggest
> using either
> Cydectin or Ivomec (I have had no luck with Safegaurd,
> it's a waste of
> time
> and money). This should be done immediately and may need
> to be repeated
> in
> 2 weeks and then on a regular basis. Giving them an Iron
> supplement and
> B-12 would be a big help, too.
>
> Onalee
>
> ?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:43:12 -0700
> From: Dayna Denmark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] wasting away
> To: <blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info>
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>
> If it's not nutritional deficiencies and parasites it
> could be ovine
> progressive pneumonia (OPP). OPP is a progressive pneumonia
> that is
> similar to AIDS in humans, taking at least 2 years to
> manifest its
> signs. The virus slowly causes progressive lung damage.
> Ewes gradually
> lose stamina and body condition and have serious breathing
> problems,
> ending in physical weakness and fatal pneumonia.
> OPP is transmitted from ewe to lamb primarily through milk.
> It can be
> transmitted from infected animals via respiratory
> secretions. There are
> tests to determine if the animal has OPP but there is no
> cure or
> vaccine.
> Ovine progressive pneumonia is another example of a
> "purchased disease"
> and certainly underlines the need to be extremely careful
> when buying
> the initial flock and any replacement animals.
> Any animals that test positive should be isolated and
> culled .
>
>
> Dayna Denmark
> Half Ass Acres
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:54:18 -0500
> From: "helen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away
> To: <blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info>
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> I'm a firm believer in Nutri-Drench. I use it anytime I
> see my sheep
> acting
> puny. For whatever ails them, this is a good step. What is
> growing in
> your
> pasture? Check for any of the poison plants, check feces
> for worms,
> check
> for ticks on their skin, especially around the barest
> areas, ie; udder
> scrotom, ears, inside and out. We are overloaded with
> turkey mite this
> year
> and have fed DE to help with worms also. So many things can
> be wrong and
> go
> unnoticed without close examination. Good luck. ( We dose
> our sheep with
> the
> nutri-drench 2x's a day and really pump it up when ours
> get sick.) Thank
>
> goodness that doesn't happen often.
> Helen
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:58:11 -0700 (PDT)
> From: AP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away
> To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
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> I understand that cydectin is not recommended if they are
> pregnant. Also
> I understand that cydectin is the last resource after other
> dewormers
> proved not to be effective. For sure the new animals bring
> to much
> worms or new worms that the other animals were not exposed
> in so much
> quantity. A good idea would be to check with they former
> owner to see
> what dewormer they were using and how frequently they used
> and that
> would give an idea if the worm would be resistant to that
> dewormer, in
> that case you would need to use a different type.
>
> Have a great day!!!
>
> Andy
>
>
> The biggest mistake people make in life is not making a
> living at doing
> what they most enjoy.
> - Malcolm S. Forbes (1919-1990)
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> --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Onalee Israel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Onalee Israel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away
> > To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
> > Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 3:39 PM
> > Have you wormed your sheep? If not, then I would
> suggest
> > using either
> > Cydectin or Ivomec (I have had no luck with Safegaurd,
> > it's a waste of time
> > and money). This should be done immediately and may
> need
> > to be repeated in
> > 2 weeks and then on a regular basis. Giving them an
> Iron
> > supplement and
> > B-12 would be a big help, too.
> >
> > Onalee
> >
> >
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:02:19 -0700 (PDT)
> From: AP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away
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> Can you give some details about the dieing process of the
> animals? That
> would help.
>
> Have a great day!!!
>
> Andy
>
>
> The biggest mistake people make in life is not making a
> living at doing
> what they most enjoy.
> - Malcolm S. Forbes (1919-1990)
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> --- On Mon, 8/18/08, helen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > From: helen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away
> > To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
> > Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 3:54 PM
> > I'm a firm believer in Nutri-Drench. I use it
> anytime I
> > see my sheep acting
> > puny. For whatever ails them, this is a good step.
> What is
> > growing in your
> > pasture? Check for any of the poison plants, check
> feces
> > for worms, check
> > for ticks on their skin, especially around the barest
> > areas, ie; udder
> > scrotom, ears, inside and out. We are overloaded with
> > turkey mite this year
> > and have fed DE to help with worms also. So many
> things can
> > be wrong and go
> > unnoticed without close examination. Good luck. ( We
> dose
> > our sheep with the
> > nutri-drench 2x's a day and really pump it up when
> ours
> > get sick.) Thank
> > goodness that doesn't happen often.
> > Helen
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list
> > Visit the list's homepage at
> > %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:17:18 -0400
> From: "Pantalone, John A \(GE Infra,
> Energy\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away
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> In response to many inquiries (and thanks for the
> responses).
>
> I originally suspected Johne's Disease, but the latest
> victim is only
> 6months old (I think that would rule out OPP as well). My
> understanding
> is that JD takes several years to manifest.
>
> Worming:
> I live in southeast texas where humidity and heat are
> brutal. My
> worming pattern is seasonal. Typically during the summer
> (July-Sept) I
> worm every 2-3 mnths (I look for signs and try to stretch
> it). And the
> remainder of the year I go 3-5months (again looking for
> signs). I dont
> do fecals, but I can usually catch bottle jaw pretty quick.
> I rotate
> pastures about every 2 months too.
>
> I primarily worm with Valbazen (oral), but switch to Ivomec
> (SubQ or
> Oral depending on severity) during breading times. Im
> thinking of going
> to Cydectin (oral) instead of Ivomec as soon as I run out.
>
> I have wormed within the last two weeks so I don't
> think it is worms. I
> have just dosed the latest one with Valbazen, we'll see
> what happens.
>
> Poisons:
> I suspected that too, except all my sheep flock together,
> and I have had
> sheep on the pasture for 3 years now. It may be inorganic,
> but the
> others don't seem to be showing signs (knock on wood)
>
> I may have to bite the bullet and take it to the vet. I
> just hate to
> spend the money and find out they don't know (or its
> incurable). But
> then again, I don't want to loose the whole flock.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy)
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:41 PM
> To: 'blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info'
> Subject: Wasting Away
>
> I have had 3 sheep in the last two months die from
> progressively wasting
> away. From the moment I notice thin ribs and hips, it
> takes about 1-2
> weeks for them to die. I noticed another one today and am
> at a loss. I
> have tried administering antibiotics (LA200 and B12), but
> they seem to
> die within a day or two anyway.
>
> These sheep have been with me for a few years (or born
> here), however, I
> have recently (about 4mths ago) introduced several Royal
> White Sheep to
> my flock. The mature Royal Whites had scrapies ear tags.
> My original
> flock had never been tested. They all eat grass regularly
> (with a bit
> of grain) and get minerals.
>
> Anybody have any ideas?
>
> John
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:31:00 -0700
> From: Dayna Denmark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] wasting away
> To: <blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info>
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>
> Just reading up on Coccidia. Could be another possibility
> given the age
> of the sheep and the weather you have been experiencing.
>
>
> Dayna Denmark
> Half Ass Acres
>
>
>
>
>
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