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Today's Topics:
1. CD/T Shots (Mary Swindell)
2. CDT (Curtis Yeschke)
3. Re: CD/T Shots (Dave Andrus)
4. Re: CDT (Dave Andrus)
5. Re: CDT shots (Julian Hale)
6. Re: Lambing kit on a budget (Dave Andrus)
7. Re: Lambing kit on a budget (Cecil Bearden)
8. mismarked... (Tracy Wessel)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:28:19 -0600
From: Mary Swindell <mswin...@siu.edu>
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: [Blackbelly] CD/T Shots
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You can also give CD/T shots to the lambs after they are born,
instead of giving the shots to their mothers. I give my new lambs
two CD/T shots. The first at 2 weeks old, and the second at 4 weeks
old. I use the Bar-Vac brand and give 2 CCs subcutaneously per lamb
each time. I do not vaccinate my adult ewes prior to lambing.
Mary Swindell
At 05:01 PM 1/24/2010, you wrote:
>Message: 1
>Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:39:18 -0700
>From: "Dave Andrus" <andruscompan...@netecin.net>
>To: <blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info>
>Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] CDT shots
>Message-ID: <7de90efdb2214ca6af860b0537a74...@sharolyn>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
>My ewes are going to start to lamb in about 30 days is it too late to
give
>them CDT shots?
>
>TIA,
>
>Dave
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:33:10 -0600
From: Curtis Yeschke <cyesc...@peoplepc.com>
To: "blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info"
<blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info>
Subject: [Blackbelly] CDT
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How about this: I didn't even know what CDT was. Needless to say,
that's one shot they don't get. I use a syringe as a drench, minus the
needle, for ivomac, the cheap, off brand. The only shots that I give
are antibiotics, that's if they have snotty noses or look "off", and B-
complex, if I think they need that extra boost of energy to help them
pull out of it. So far, I've lost only one sheep to worms, and she was
an auction house buy, and one to an unknown illness, again, auction
house buy...though there are quite a few losses due to coyotes. I
haven't lost any since because they get antibiotics, worker, and B-
complex when they are unloaded.
Curtis
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:43:21 -0700
From: "Dave Andrus" <andruscompan...@netecin.net>
To: <blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info>
Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] CD/T Shots
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Mary,
Where do you give the injection?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mary Swindell" <mswin...@siu.edu>
To: <blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info>
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:28 PM
Subject: [Blackbelly] CD/T Shots
> You can also give CD/T shots to the lambs after they are born,
instead of
> giving the shots to their mothers. I give my new lambs two CD/T shots.
> The first at 2 weeks old, and the second at 4 weeks old. I use the
> Bar-Vac brand and give 2 CCs subcutaneously per lamb each time. I
do not
> vaccinate my adult ewes prior to lambing.
>
> Mary Swindell
>
>
>
> At 05:01 PM 1/24/2010, you wrote:
>
>>Message: 1
>>Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:39:18 -0700
>>From: "Dave Andrus" <andruscompan...@netecin.net>
>>To: <blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info>
>>Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] CDT shots
>>Message-ID: <7de90efdb2214ca6af860b0537a74...@sharolyn>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=response
>>
>>My ewes are going to start to lamb in about 30 days is it too late
to give
>>them CDT shots?
>>
>>TIA,
>>
>>Dave
>>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:58:59 -0700
From: "Dave Andrus" <andruscompan...@netecin.net>
To: <blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info>
Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] CDT
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I am very much a novice agrarian of only three years and have much to
learn
and have no problem taking correction or suggestions from any one but I
believe I am starting to see a pattern with many of the vaccinations and
allot of the miscellaneous supplements I see advertised with sheep,
cattle,
horses, etc. Please correct me if I am in error or any one has a
different
experience. It seems to me that many issues come from mixing and
matching
and even feed lot or commercial type environments. I know from many
years in
my regular profession that much of what is published as the latest and
greatest is done so to make money. Am I connecting these errantly or am I
seeing what those who have had many more years dealing with sheep, etc
already know?
Respectfully,
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Yeschke" <cyesc...@peoplepc.com>
To: <blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info>
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:33 PM
Subject: [Blackbelly] CDT
> How about this: I didn't even know what CDT was. Needless to say,
that's
> one shot they don't get. I use a syringe as a drench, minus the
needle,
> for ivomac, the cheap, off brand. The only shots that I give are
> antibiotics, that's if they have snotty noses or look "off", and B-
> complex, if I think they need that extra boost of energy to help them
> pull out of it. So far, I've lost only one sheep to worms, and she
was an
> auction house buy, and one to an unknown illness, again, auction house
> buy...though there are quite a few losses due to coyotes. I haven't
lost
> any since because they get antibiotics, worker, and B- complex when
they
> are unloaded.
>
> Curtis
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>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:48:25 -0800
From: Julian Hale <jbh...@comcast.net>
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] CDT shots
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At 09:21 AM 1/24/2010, you wrote:
>Julian
>
>My primary concern is any negative effect on the lams or ewes because
of the ewes getting the shot too close to laming time. Do you know if
there can be bad effects to the lams/ewes or just the potential of the
lams not getting the full effect?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dave
It's possible, but unlikely, that a vaccine could cause abortion or
other problems. Some are notorious for causing injection site
reactions and other problems, but CD/T is generally pretty safe. I
was concerned with the H1N1 paranoia focusing on pregnant women that
expecting mothers would have a lot of reactions to the shot, but it
looks like I was worried for nothing.
Frankly, no research has been done to see how long these shots are
good for, so we don't know. For instance, the rabies shot in dogs is
good for 5+ years(some say well over 5 years). Giving a ewe a CD/T
shot every 2nd or 3rd year, a month or two before breeding time would
probably be perfectly adequate to confer (temporary) immunity to the
lambs. IMO, lambs should not receive any vaccines prior to 8 weeks,
and 12 weeks would be better. The mother's colostrum provides
immunity longer than that, and the young lamb's immune system is not
able to make use of a vaccine prior to ~8 weeks anyway. So a shot at
12 weeks, one at 15-16 weeks, and if they are staying a booster around
1 year old. Vaccines have the potential to cause auto-immune disease
and other problems, so you want to give as few shots in their lifetime
as you can but still maintain immunity.
Julian
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:10:45 -0700
From: "Dave Andrus" <andruscompan...@netecin.net>
To: <blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info>
Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Lambing kit on a budget
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Ok, my next novice question...
I have been reading about putting together a "lambing kit"...it seems
if I
purchase everything in the book I could have a couple hundred dollars
into
it and may only need a small number of those items. At the risk of not
being
prepared for every possibility what would the vetrans suggest are
absolute
necessities to have in a lambing kit?
Thanks,
Dave
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 06:19:54 -0600
From: Cecil Bearden <crbear...@copper.net>
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Lambing kit on a budget
Message-ID: <4b5d8c6a.10...@copper.net>
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Small Feeding tubes, 60cc catheter end syringes, Dr Pepper bottles with
pritchard teats, milk replacer. Replacer gets rancid, change it every 6
months. gloves, and OB (shoulder lentgh) gloves, OB lubricant, Stomach
tube for ewes, funnel to fit tube. Karo Syrup or Honey, original green
palmolive liquid. Pennicillin, 3cc syringes with needles. Baytril,
panacur liquid.
Cecil in OK
Dave Andrus wrote:
> Ok, my next novice question...
>
> I have been reading about putting together a "lambing kit"...it
seems if
> I purchase everything in the book I could have a couple hundred dollars
> into it and may only need a small number of those items. At the risk of
> not being prepared for every possibility what would the vetrans suggest
> are absolute necessities to have in a lambing kit?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:41:02 -0800
From: Tracy Wessel <des...@tracywessel.com>
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: [Blackbelly] mismarked...
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lambing season has arrived... perhaps a bad breeding decision on my
part... had some of the most beautiful lambs ever last season. But
chose a ram for his size and twinning, and didn't adhere to marking/
color... he was a little off... so... have now two lambs with loin
chop shaped black in front of their flank... muahahahahhaah. Robust,
good size, one set of twins.
<sigh>
since mostly they end up in the freezer or grazing blackberries.. I
suppose it is fine. But I sure think I'll get a new ram for next year,
if I'm still in sheep. Afraid I might have to do a dispersal sale :
( ...but hoping... I love my ladies...and do have a darling ram left
over... was hoping to use him next year or the year after.
Tracy Wessel
Intention Hill Farm
Sandy OR
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