Oh I understand now , I never thought of nailing sideways like that, more on a diagonal something like toenailing. Gives a lot more meet to pound the nails into and drives the joist tight to the rim or ledger.
Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loren buntemeyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Blind Handyman" <blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] How to Install Joist Hangers for a Deck > Well, I will explain why it is easier to install the brackets to the joist > first. Especially, doing it yourself. If you have the brackets on the > ledger board, have the joist in position, and try to nail the joist to the > bracket, the joist is not solid and wants to move around easily. You > spend > your time and strength trying to hold the board your nailing. The > brackets > are also not very strong with sideways hammering pressure. > > If you nail the brackets on the joist ends first, you can place them on a > solid surface making it easier to hammer. You can sit on the ground > if you like. The deck I built was one story high, so I set one end of the > joist on the already built beam and held the joist with a bracket on my > shoulder at the > ledger board. Line up the top or floor edge of the joist and start a nail > into the solid ledger. Use a square for the first joist making it square > with your ledger board and checking your height. > As the joist are never the same width, Doing it this way will allow you to > make all top edges even for your floor. As I continue down the line > nailing, I use a square cut spacer with a 2 by 4 screwed on top that hangs > on the floor joist. This gives me the right spacing and all I have to do > is > adjust the height of the joist before nailing. > Nailing to the ledger last, gives you another solid base and gives you a > full swing with your hammer. If you nail from the side, you only have > 14.5 > inches for your hammer. > > Hope this was clear. > > Loren > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dale Leavens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 6:25 PM > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] How to Install Joist Hangers for a Deck > > > Believe me, it is much easier to attach the hangers to the ledger first > and > then just drop the joist into the hanger. To align them to the top of the > ledger board it is helpful to use a short scrap of the correct dimension, > that is to say a three or four inch length of 2 by 8 or 2 by 10 or what > ever > you are using for joists. > > The best way of course is to instal the hangers on the ledger before you > mount the ledger to the wall. I think that Dan has already made his > mounting > holes though so he may not be able to instal all of the hangers before > mounting the ledger. > > by the way Dan, there are double joist hangers just in case you didn't > know > that. > > The last time I built a deck was before hangers were commonly available. I > assembled the joist structure on the ground by nailing through the rim > joist > then wrestled the beggar into place. I did not attach that one to the > building though. > > When I built this addition I nailed the joists into place through the > hangers and into the rim by directing the nails in on an angle. The > thought > was that this would help drive the joist end snug to the rim and hold it > there. By nailing from both sides the spreading direction would > theoretically make removal more difficult. Don't know why that should > matter > really but it seemed like a good idea at the time. > > > Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Skype DaleLeavens > Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Loren buntemeyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:21 PM > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] How to Install Joist Hangers for a Deck > > >>I would install the joist hangers on the joist before the ledger. It is >> hard nailing a bracket to a joist in mid air. When you nail the bracket >> to >> the ledger it's solid. This also allows you to make the floor edge of >> the >> joist all even >> with a tight string line. >> Loren >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dale Leavens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:51 PM >> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] How to Install Joist Hangers for a Deck >> >> >> For the blind I recommend measuring and cutting some spacers. They should >> be >> clearly identified so sighted people and blind ones too don't throw them >> away. >> >> These spacers should be cut the length of the distance between joists on >> 16 >> inch centers. In theory this should be 14 and a half inches but in my >> experience it is usually closer to 14 and a quarter. When using joist >> hangers it may be necessary to allow a little for them too and I have >> found >> it useful to double check and allow for a little drift particularly where >> spacing is more critical such as behind 4 by 8 sheets, I think it may be >> because dimensional lumber isn't all that precise. >> >> It can be helpful to attach a longer piece like a length of 2 by 4 to one >> edge so the spacer can be hung on the ledger or edge joist for easier >> positioning. Make one for each end it is a bit like having another pair >> of >> hands when aligning your joists. They also help a lot in keeping joists >> vertical and if necessary to persuade a certain amount of twist out of >> less >> than fully dry timber. >> >> TIP: Don't jam the spacer in too tight it can be a bear to get out. >> >> TIP: 2 by 4 spacers can be useful in exactly the same way for >> constructing >> walls and occasionally get left behind and difficult for the blind to >> locate >> once the wall is erected. >> >> TIP: It can be useful to very precisely cut a length of strapping >> exactly >> 4 >> feet long for verifying accurate centers particularly for walls where >> sheeting will be installed. Be aware that sighted helpers also find 4 >> foot >> lengths useful for scrap or temporary braces so they tend to disappear. >> >> Remember that the first member is not always 16 inches on center but 16 >> inches center from the edge, actually 15 and a quarter to center. This >> need >> not be true in deck construction where 4 foot panels are to be installed >> but >> it does become important when installing things like siding or drywall. >> >> Often a series of templates will prove to be more durable than braille >> measuring devices on the building site always supposing they remain >> locatable. Folding carpenters rulers seem to find themselves under boots >> or >> knees. >> >> I also like to instal a series of spacers between the joists part way >> along >> their span. This substantially stiffens up the structure at very little >> cost. Traditionally 'X' braces are used but I am a little too lazy for >> that >> and it requires much more precision >> >> Hopefully you will find some small pearls in this Dan. >> >> >> >> Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Skype DaleLeavens >> Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Boyce, Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 5:54 PM >> Subject: [BlindHandyMan] How to Install Joist Hangers for a Deck >> >> >>> Hi >>> Joist hangers, metal fasteners that attach joists to ledger boards, are >>> inexpensive and can save you time when you're building your deck. >>> >>> Steps: >>> 1. >>> Mark where each joist will be placed on the ledger board, starting at >>> the >>> outside corner. (Joists should be spaced on 16-inch centers.) >>> >>> 2. >>> Transfer markings to the beam using a storyboard. (A storyboard is >>> simply >>> a long piece of scrap lumber onto which you can pencil the distance >>> between joists; >>> use it to transfer the same design to the ledger board and any >>> subsequent >>> beams in a fraction of the time needed to repeat the measurement process >>> over >>> and over.) >>> >>> 3. >>> Place a joist hanger at each marked space, setting the top of the joist >>> flush with the ledger or top edge or beam (if joists are set on the side >>> of the >>> beam). >>> >>> 4. >>> Insert a scrap of lumber into each joist hanger to hold the correct >>> opening. >>> >>> 5. >>> Nail the joist hangers in place. >>> >>> Tips: >>> >>> Make an X to indicate the side of each mark where each joist will sit. >>> >>> Once the joist hangers are in place you are ready to lay the footing for >>> your deck. >>> >>> >>> ********************************************************************** >>> This message and its attachments may contain legally >>> privileged or confidential information. 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