Everybody has to judge for themselves the amount of risk their willing to take.
Alan Please click on: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros keyboard. I often add files so check back regularly! The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Sherrer" <j...@whitecane.org> To: <blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Copper/pex pipe comparison Germs are killed by air. I am not concerned with that. But we inject too much plastic. But we cannot always avoid it. John http://WhiteCane.org http://BlindWoodWorker.com http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane http://anellos.ws ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Paganelli To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Copper/pex pipe comparison It depends on your level of paranoia. Let me give you an example. We were camping in the mountains at an established camp grounds. It had only out houses which were well made and kept clean. Well, as clean as such things can be. The water came from a pipe and spicket coming up out of the ground. There was a spicket pointing down toward the ground and a faucet handle above it. The water was city water from the local community. The camp sites were cleared of brush etc. People waited in line to fill their containers with water. This one woman gets her turn and pulls out a pastry brush and a small bottle of bleach and starts brushing bleach all over the business end of the spicket. People asked her what the hell she thought she was doing. She said she didn't want any germs getting into her water. And the rest of us get to drink the bleach asked the people. One other woman who was also standing in line waiting her turn remarked, if your worrying about germs in a camp ground that has city water and prepared camp sites, then maybe camping isn't for you. I've been camping for over 20 years and have camped in a lot worse places then this place and have never gotten sick or neither has my husband and children or their children now clean that crap off that faucet so that the rest of us can get our water too. Alan Please click on: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros keyboard. I often add files so check back regularly! The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Sherrer" <j...@whitecane.org> To: <blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Copper/pex pipe comparison I have been told by a helth person that people should not even touch polyethelene, even though it is found in some food products. Is it safe to drink water from Tex. I have a house that uses well water and it will quickly corrode copper pipe. John http://WhiteCane.org http://BlindWoodWorker.com http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane http://anellos.ws ----- Original Message ----- From: RJ To: handyman Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:16 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Copper/pex pipe comparison http://www.plumbingnetworks.com/info/pex-copper/ There are different fitting that can be used on pex pipe. xof PEX Piping and Copper Piping If you are like the rest of us non-plumbers, then there is a good chance that you don't know which plumbing pipe is better. You may not even know what a PEX pipe is. Relax: Not many of us do. We're not plumbers, but maybe it's time that increase our basic knowledge so that we know what we are getting and whether it is something we truly want. Once you know the basics, you'll feel more comfortable to find a plumber to help you with your piping needs. Now you're probably wondering what PEX piping is. Well, it is cross-linked polyethylene pipe. After going through several processes, the material becomes durable for extreme temperatures (hot or cold), creep deformation which happens from long-term exposure to stress, and chemical attack from acids, alkalies and the like. All of this makes PEX an excellent piping substance for hot and cold water systems, especially since PEX is flexible and well adapted for temperatures below freezing all the way up to 200° Fahrenheit. As mentioned above, PEX is a good plumbing material because it is flexible and easy for plumbers to install. PEX is also resistant to breaks in cold weather and has fewer joints, bringing your costs down. Since copper piping has been around for decades, we know that the metal is durable and flexible, making it easy to install - especially compared to iron pipes. Copper piping also provides a biostatic atmosphere, making it difficult for bacteria to grow inside of it, which is an important health consideration. Copper also resists corrosion and is unaffected by ultraviolet rays, which means it can be used for outside needs. This is unlike PEX pipes, which are affected by ultraviolet rays and therefore should not be used outside. However, copper can corrode due to the pH of the water if it is too acidic or too basic for the pipes. But just because it corrodes doesn't mean that the water is bad for you. Try to think of it like this: the Pacific Northwest region of the US and, of course, Canada, has some of the best drinking water in the world, but that very same water has a corrosive effect on the pipes. So the choice between PEX and copper is solely yours, but keep in mind a few of the advantages and disadvantages of each system before you decide. Some Advantages of PEX Are: 1. Adaptable and easy-to-use plumbing system 2. Can be used with hot and cold water 3. Can also be used with metal and PVC piping 4. PEX has fewer fittings, making it faster to install and with less of a chance to leak 5. PEX is more burst-resistant due to its flexibility to expand and contract 6. It has a shutoff valve at each supply line, making it more convenient for you when you have to get repairs done 7. PEX can have a pressure balanced system 8. Since it is flexible, the pipes can be bent around most corners and usually won't need a coupling or fitting PEX Has Some Disadvantages that You Should be Aware Of: 1. It cannot be used outside 2. Cannot be recycled, due to its shorter life use 3. It provides an impermeable membrane that may allow the possibility of water contamination 4. The pipes may be damaged if left outside for a long period of time The Advantages of Copper Are: 1. Durable and flexible, making it easy to install 2. Safer in natural disasters 3. Weather and bacteria-resistant 4. Resists corrosion, more so than other metals 5. Unaffected by ultraviolet rays, so it can be used outside 6. Copper does not release toxic gases in a fire because it resists burning 7. In earthquakes, the slightly elastic pipes flex so that they don't snap 8. Copper is recyclable, making it a more sound environmental choice Copper Piping Also Has Disadvantages that Should be Considered: 1. Can corrode 2. Has become expensive 3. With higher levels of copper from corrosion, water can have a metallic taste 4. Copper can freeze and break during cold water Compare the prices of PEX and copper piping to help understand the differences between the two. PEX Prices 3/8" - $0.38 1/2" - $0.40 5/8" - $0.62 3/4" - $0.76 1" - $1.26 Copper Prices 3/8" - $4.87 1/2" - $5.67 5/8" - $7.31 3/4" - $10.21 1" - $13.38 We Asked Plumbers: What do you think about PEX piping when compared to copper piping? Master Plumber Rick Marquette answered: "There really is no comparison. I like my copper pipe because with PEX pipe, you have to have the right tools. It's convenient if you have all the tools...and that really matters when on a job site. I find copper easier to install because of this, and that is the main difference." Carol Jones said: "It [PEX] is obviously superior, and easy to install. Copper will break, and then there are all the elbows that must be installed. Every spring, with copper, I have breaks from the cold winters. The polyethylene pipe (PEX) will give a little, so it's not as likely to break as copper. And PEX is faster and easier to install and it is easier to drain the system since each line is independent to the incoming source of water. You can turn off each segment. Copper runs all together and is a lot harder to install since you have to know how to solder, and not everyone knows how. With PEX, the only thing you have to do is buy the expensive crimper, which pays off after having to have the copper fixed every spring because of breakage. PEX is more for do-it-yourselfers and it isn't hard to splice, plus it is cheaper to install." 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