On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 7:30 PM, John Williams
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Bryon Daly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> >are you against all forms of  taxes?
>
> No.


So to quote you from your last response:

> Ah, I see. Taking people's money to give to others is okay if you don't
> take too much.
>

Since that's what taxes do, you think it's OK, also?


> > Do you have a better alternative?
>
> Reduce spending.


Good idea.  But do you think McCain would be any better at that?  Bush
certainly wasn't a cost-cutter (vast understatement).   And McCain's health
care plan added new taxes on people's health care benefits in order to
provide benefits to others.  I.e.: "taking peoples money to give to others".
 Why is McCain not deserving of the same over-the-top anecdote you posted?


> > So I think they can spare it
>
> I think you can spare a lot more of your own money before you start
> sparing mine.
>

So you rank among the very wealthiest people in America?  Congratulations!
 No wonder you think a quarter million dollars is "virtually none".  :-)


> > I didn't make any straw man attacks or call Obama a socialist, so I'm not
> > sure why you use the "you" above.
>
> Wow, we have something in common then.
>

The anecdote you posted depicts Obama as wanting to take ALL the money from
the "haves" to give to the "have-nots" - i.e.: that he's a socialist.  This
is grossly and provably untrue and thus is a straw man.  Then it knocks down
the straw man by showing how upset his supporters would be if straw-man plan
was applied to them.  Ergo, I say the anecdote is a straw man attack on
Obama.  I never said you called Obama a socialist, but that's what the
anecdote you posted essentially does.  And that's generally the meme that
accompanies these types of anecdotes.  But my comments about "...resort to
these tactics" weren't intended to be directed at you personally, but at the
campaigners and the originators/writers of this stuff - again I was thinking
in terms of the broad public debate, and not your particular posting of this
to the list.  I'm sorry I wasn't clearer.
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