Dear Phoebe, I am sure Jakob is aware of this publication and the impressive work as much as I am. The two of us were discussing electron crystallography (not microscopy!) of 3D crystals, not of 2D crystals. The first such structure was deposited at the PDB by Tamir Gonen no earlier than 2013.
It is noteworthy that even the 2012 edition of IT-F (19.2) silently assumes that electron diffraction only applies to 2D crystals. Kind regards, Tim On Wednesday 01 March 2017 08:15:44 PM Phoebe A. Rice wrote: > For historical perspective: > > Molecular structure determination by electron microscopy of unstained > crystalline specimens PNT Unwin, R Henderson - Journal of molecular > biology, 1975 > http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0022283675902120 > > ________________________________________ > From: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] on behalf of Keller, Jacob > [kell...@janelia.hhmi.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 1:50 PM > To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] How to refine this needle crystal of membrane complex? > > There are now quite a few structures solved by ED of 3D crystals, esp by > Tamir Gonen's group here at Janelia, and a quick count in the pdb yields > ~15 3D-crystal ED structures, some of which are not released. They're > getting better at it all the time. I guess the news has not spread as much > as I thought. FYI, last I checked they were looking for good samples to > try, although you'd have to contact Tamir about that to see whether it's > still true, or whether they've now got their hands full. > > All the best, > > Jacob Keller > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Gruene [mailto:tim.gru...@psi.ch] > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 2:22 PM > To: Keller, Jacob <kell...@janelia.hhmi.org> > Cc: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk > Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] How to refine this needle crystal of membrane complex? > > Dear Jacob, dear TO, > > (I have wondered what can be 'micro' about diffraction - would you know?) > > it would be very exciting to get the structure by electron diffraction - as > much as I know it would be the first new structure solved from a 3D crystal > with electron radiation in the PDB. You would have to contact one of the > 3-4 labs that to electron diffraction of protein samples (Abrahams, Gonen, > Hovmoeller / Zou (possibly), and Yonekura/Toyoshima in alphabetic order). > The first and the last group are equipped with sensitive hybrid pixel > detectors that might help. > > A good test to get an idea about the resolution you might get from electron > diffraction is to scratch up as many of your crystals and analyse the > powder pattern with a strong X-ray source (synchrotron, or very good home > source). > > Note that when you can see the crystals with a light microscope, they are > most likely too big for electron diffraction - you might end up seeing a > black screen with no electron penetrating your samples. > > Best regards, > Tim > > On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 1:59:44 PM CET Keller, Jacob wrote: > > Although trying to refine the crystals is perhaps the most > > straightforward thing, you might consider trying micro electron > > diffraction (micro-ED) with the existing samples—the technique is > > working increasingly better, and would work well with your tiny > > crystals. Look at Tamir Gonen’s recent papers for more info. > > > > All the best, > > > > Jacob Keller > > > > From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of ??? > > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 3:53 AM > > To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > > Subject: [ccp4bb] How to refine this needle crystal of membrane complex? > > > > Dear all, > > I am trying to obtain crystals of membrane complex. Now, I have > > obtained the complex with appropriate stoichiometry after a series of > > purification in DDM, then I get extremely thin needles (as shown in > > figure) in some conditions such as 28% MPD, 0.1 M NaAc pH 4.5 or 45% > > MPD,0.1 M Bis-Tris pH 6.5, 0.2 M CaCl2. However, there are not any > > improvements through changing the concentration of precipitants/salts > > or adding the additives/detergents to the protein. > > > > I would be very happy if anybody could give me some advice about this > > crystal refinement. > > > > With best regards. > > > > > > [cid:image001.png@01D2926A.28CB0C70] > > -- > -- > Paul Scherrer Institut > Tim Gruene > - persoenlich - > OFLC/104 > CH-5232 Villigen PSI > phone: +41 (0)56 310 5297 > > GPG Key ID = A46BEE1A -- -- Paul Scherrer Institut Dr. Tim Gruene - persoenlich - Principal Investigator Biology and Chemistry OFLC/104 CH-5232 Villigen PSI Phone: +41 (0)56 310 5297 GPG Key ID = A46BEE1A
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