Again you miss my point about Clinton. How the hell can he order somebody to
do something that he refused to do when he was in the same situation? Is he
better then the rest of us? I guess the rules don't apply to him. Poor
leadership = Do as I say not as I do.
-GK
>From: "Gary McNeel, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: Waaay OT: US elections (soap boxish)
>Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:39:34 -0600
>
>That was my thought after reading all of your comments about leaders and
>leadership. I felt you hadn't had much experience with good ones.
>
>I am diametrically opposed to your point about the President being
>Commander
>in Chief. Whether Clinton (or Carter, Reagan or Nixon for that matter)
>served in the armed forces is irrelevant. All this stuff about "friends
>dieing in your arms" is dramatic, but not very realistic. A very few people
>in the population serve in the armed forces, much less in actual combat.
>While George was getting high on cocaine and flying F-102 fighters at the
>taxpayers expense, men were dieing in Vietnam. While George skated around
>the war as a playboy, men were dieing (daily) over there.
>
>Leadership is nebulous. People follow people for many reasons. People
>followed Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, Mussolini, Washington, Franklin,
>Shaka,
>Napoleon, Churchill and countless others. I spent 9 years in the military,
>trudged around Honduras, Africa and the Philippines. While I never had a
>buddy "die in my arms", I did see enough death to make me think about it
>differently than before I went in. Does that mean I would be a good leader
>of the armed forces? Probably not. Remember, some of the people above also
>came up from the ranks. Should they have led their countries?
>
>Also, the Commander in Chief does not generally make the daily decisions on
>the front lines. Maybe in Vietnam that was often the case, both Johnson,
>and
>Nixon to a lesser extent, did that. Presidents are involved in dealing with
>the political ramifications of war, mollifying some injured parties (like
>Israel in the Iraq conflict) and deciding when to quit (like George Bush
>not
>finishing the fight with Iraq or not supporting the rebels inside the
>country). He may have stopped for very good reasons, reasons we are not
>aware of.
>
>-Gary
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: George Kaytor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 11:16 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Waaay OT: US elections (soap boxish)
> >
> >
> > Nope, no wars in my youth other then desert storm. (Didn't look like the
> > armed forces needed much help in that one, but then again there was a
> > republican president in office for it :) ).
> >
> > I wouldn't make a good leader of the armed forces. I havn't experienced
> > seeing one of my friends die in my hands, or the fear when your line is
> > being overrun, etc. I would want a leader that has experienced that, and
> > knows how serious the sacrifice is before sending others into it.
> >
> > Maybe it was a bad idea to make the president commander of all
> > armed forces.
> >
> > -George
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Gary McNeel, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: RE: Waaay OT: US elections (soap boxish)
> > >Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:16:34 -0600
> > >
> > >Just curious George. Did you server? -Gary
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: George Kaytor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 7:30 AM
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Subject: Re: Waaay OT: US elections (soap boxish)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Nice try? where was he in vietnam? did he see any combat or was he
>way
> > > > behind the lines writing articles. Get your info straight! Civilian
> > > > reporters saw more action then gore.
> > > >
> > > > -George
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Howie Hamlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Subject: Re: Waaay OT: US elections (soap boxish)
> > > > >Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:22:59 -0500
> > > > >
> > > > >Al Gore was in Viet Nam for 5 months. Nice try, though. BTW -
> > > > the info is
> > > > >available at the Boston Globe which is reprinted here:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >http://www.georgebush2000.com/One_year_gap_in_Bush_s_Guard_duty%2B.shtml
> > > >
> > > >Ciao
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "George Kaytor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 3:43 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: Waaay OT: US elections (soap boxish)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Oh and pray tell where our buddy gore was? Was he safe behind he
> >lines
> > > > > writing articles?
> > > > >
> > > > > -GK
> > > > >
> > > >
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