Not surprising really when you consider it takes an asp programmer about 4 times longer to do something!!
:) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Brunt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 2:06 PM Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? > Trey, I just did a very simple search on Google looked for ".cfm" got 25.5 > million results, ".asp" 89.2 million, ".php" 106 million, ".jsp" 13.6 > million. > > Kind Regards - Mike Brunt, CTO > Webapper > http://www.webapper.com > Downey CA Office > 562.243.6255 > AIM - webappermb > > "Webapper - Making the NET work" > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Trey Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 10:48 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? > > > I would challenge your 'Deployed' numbers. > > Your 'Facts' don't hold much water with me. > > More than 10,000 organizations have purchased ColdFusion > More than 125,000 ColdFusion servers deployed > > The average organization purchases and deploys 12.5 licenses of CF? > Where are the numbers of deployment of CFMX? Or how about 5.0+? > > Are the dozen licenses we own but are collecting dust being counted in > your numbers? And how many others like us? > > I would be very surprised if 90% of your customer base purchases and > deploys more than 3 servers, and of those, I bet at most 50% are > production. > > If you expect us to believe this PR dribble, I think some more > supporting information is needed. At least a basis from where these > numbers are coming from? > > Trey Rouse > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 6:25 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? > > > > >The enterprise penetration of MX has been weak. MM would blame this > > on the marketplace, but I'm not sold on this. > > > > Server version upgrade cycles in the enterprise app-server space is > around > > 12 months, according to those I've discussed it with. We're really > only > > about halfway through the cycle at this time. The overall installed CF > > base is pretty healthy, and growing. Here's a partial list of existing > CF > > sites we use for PR/marketing: > > http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/proven/ > > > > Even considering the upgrade cycle in the enterprise app-server world, > the > > list of CFMX enterprise sites is growing every day. The following are > a > > few of the CFMX sites recently sent to me: > > > > http://www.ecoprimalquest.com/ > > http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm?countryid=19&languageid=1 > > http://www.panasonic.com.au/hometheatre > > http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/ (some CF, some dynamic Flash content, some > > just plain HTML) > > http://www.reservations.broadmoor.com > > > > We know a lot of enterprise-level customers have upgraded to CFMX and > are > > in the upgrade cycle - but they don't always report back to us when > they > > go live with CFMX, so feel free to send me sites that you know of too! > > > > In addition to this stuff, consider the ways Macromedia is expanding > the > > CF market: > > > > *Ground-up rewrite in Java: This expands CF capabilities, as well as > makes > > CF an option to the enterprise-level sites which want the benefits of > > deploying on a the Java platform and the rapid app dev (RAD) offered > by > > CF. It also means current CF customers have a way to move up to the > Java > > platform without requiring they abandon their existing apps (or their > CF > > developers). Admittedly, this has been a challenging release of CF for > > some, but once the dust settles, CF and the CF community will enjoy > this > > huge leap forward. > > > > *We're working to deliver the information developers need to help them > be > > successful with ColdFusion and our other technology offerings: > > www.macromedia.com/desdev > > > > *We're tappiing into new markets for CF: > > > > -With Flash remoting, the HUGE Flash community is getting turned on to > CF. > > While one can purchase Flash remoting for ASP, Flashers taking to CF > > readily because of it's shorter learning curve and RAD capabilities. > > > > -Dreamweaver users: OK, before you pile on me about this one, I'm not > > trying to debate the CFStudio/HS+ vs. Dreamweaver issue for CFers. > > Dreamweaver is ~80% of the HTML editor market, and these folks are > moving > > into the dynamic application/web app development space in droves. > > Dreamweaver MX makes their entry into the CF arena a snap with its > built > > in server behaviors that cover the most basic stuff, and CF's shorter > > learning curve and tagged based syntax makes CF a very attractive for > > these new application developers. > > > > *We've delivered innovative products that are more integrated and work > > more smoothly with each other than ever before, offering "one-stop" > > shopping for industry leading technologies. This also means that we > can > > deliver well integrated technologies, and better information for those > who > > are integrating these various technologies. But we've also worked to > > remain somewhat agnostic with many of these innovations; many (most) > of > > these innovations integrate with 3rd party products/platforms. > > > > Individually, one may not be positioned to take advantage of > everything we > > offer surrounding CF, but we see businesses moving into these areas as > > they begin to plan and implement new projects, and bring additional > > technologies & skills into their shops. > > > > It's been said Macromedia should concentrate on CF improvements and > fixes > > and forget everything else, but our efforts across the board are not > > mutually exclusive. We've already released one CFMX updater, and > another > > is fortcoming. > > > > Macromedia is fully behind ColdFusion and ColdFusion developers. Yes, > > there is definately room for improvement, as is evidenced by some of > the > > more lively discussion on this list recently. But we do listen to and > > incorporate to the community's feedback, while we continue to > innovate. > > Unfortunately, sometimes we can't talk about everything happening, > even in > > the face of (emerging) competition. But that shouldn't be misread as > an > > indication that nothing is happening behind the scenes. > > > > I personally think the economy has stifled some of the payoff from > > Macromedia's efforts, it's stifled just about everything involving > > economics! But eventually you will start to see these efforts start to > pay > > off for ColdFusion and CF developers. > > > > Nay-sayers can say spout gloom and doom if they will, but CF is on the > way > > up. We're just gettin' started! > > > > Vernon Viehe > > ColdFusion Community Manager > > Developer Relations > > Macromedia, Inc. > > Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ > > -------------------- > > Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida > > Architecting a New Internet Experience > > Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
