Charlie, I agree on all counts. Things are now at the stage where it's even worth wondering hard whether you make the site ideal even for NS. Yesterday 92% of the visitors to our major site (30k sessions a day) were MS IE 5.0 or higher. 60% were IE6. Which is unfortunate, because I think that NS7 is somewhat better than IE6. I long since stopped worrying about Opera (other than putting some code in to say 'we think you are having a problem that only ever arises on Opera. Please contact Opera').
When we first converted the site to CF (early 2000) we did worry about NS a lot more, and had specific code to handle - in particular - the size of boxes on forms differently. Now it's simply not worth worrying about. Like you I feel that W3C is good enough. Regards, Alan Ford ----- Original Message ----- From: Charlie Griefer To: CF-Talk Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 6:08 PM Subject: Re: Simple html question Well, the 'big question' may not be that big to everybody :) Yes, it works in NS. Will it work in NS 4.x? I don't know. Personally, I don't worry about NS 4.x anymore. In my opinion, the number of users with NS 4.x is an acceptable level of loss. I can't spend resources on making sure a page will render properly for a browser that represents such a small % of my audience. To me, that time spent would be a greater loss. This might not be the most popular stance...but given the limited resources that I do have to work with, my feeling is that if my code is standards-compliant (by current standards), then I've done my job. Also (and I'm sure this is a very naive belief), I feel that the more we, as Web Developers, cater to each and every browser (if i do *this* then it will work correctly in that browser...and add a condition here to make sure it works in *that* browser), then we give the browser companies no motivation to ensure that their products will render code 'properly'. I know that digresses a bit from the original comment (dealing with older browsers)...but I'm curious to know if others feel this way...and if so, do you act on it? Or are you in a position where you don't have the option (or desire) to discount any certain browser(s)? As this isn't directly related to CF, hope it's not considered off-topic. Seems that since we all develop for the Web, it would be relevant. Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Stevenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Simple html question > and the big question...does it work in Nutscrape and if so...how far back? > version 4.x? ;-) > > Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. > VP & Director of E-Commerce Development > Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. > t. 250.920.8830 > e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Macromedia Associate Partner > www.macromedia.com > --------------------------------------------------------- > Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group > Founder & Director > www.cfug-vancouverisland.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andre Mohamed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:47 AM > Subject: RE: Simple html question > > > > You can't get smaller than 1 pixel thickness (unless you consider > > dotted/dashed borders) > > > > <table style="border:1px solid black"> > > <tr> > > <td>hello world</td> > > </tr> > > </table> > > > > That's as thin as you can get (it definitely doesn't look the same the > > default border - though that depends on your browser) > > > > André > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 12 August 2003 17:36 > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Simple html question > > > > Hi, > > Just a very simple question, > > is it possible to apply a style to a <table> to manipulate its border, > > border="1" is just a tab to thick for the fine layout our designer has > > done. > > > > I tried <table style="border:1px;border-color:#000000">, but this just > > gives > > the default border of one. > > > > Can't seem to find anything in the style editor shipped with CF studio > > 4.5, > > > > Respectfully, > > > > j. > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
