I am building a Multilingual / Multi-locale site. The most effective way I have found to do this is to pregenerate versions of each page for each locale and each language. The involves a simple publishing system that glues various components together and writes out multiple versions of each page, which are included in a wrapper script at run time. As an afterthought, I added a final step where the publishing script replaces ALL multiple whitespaces (tabs, CR, LF, space) with a single space. This means much smaller pages without any overhead ... and bemused looks from people who "view source" on the site! Of course this function can be toggled to enable HTML debugging. The only place I have found this causing probles is with HTML comments inside Javascripts. So I simply added a final step to place a carriage return after each HTML comment in the final output that is written to file. This way I get to use nice formatting and indenting for HTML, SQL, etc, but the final file size is crunched to the bare minimum.... dropped 100k off larger pages. -Rob -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 9:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Statistics on Toy R Us Ah... the Evil Whitespace... All CFSETTING does is remove any white space that "CF puts in". If you love indented web pages and use this extensively for your HTML, CF didn't put it in, YOU DID. If, however, a CF tag, once processed, would introduce space, CF will do string processing to remove the space from the page. If you do a lot of this in your page, stripping some of the empty space could make a difference, especially if you have 30+ lines of query statements, CFPARAMs, etc. at the top of every page. If your pages are fairly light on CF but have tons of tabs, CFSETTING won't really help you. So why bother using CFSETTING at all? Well, if you have a ton of CF code throughout your site, especially CFOUTPUTs utilizing queries or CFLOOPs, you are actually creating lots of activity in these parts of your page and white space may occur as a result. Removing this on complex pages or those with a lot of data, may very well shrink your web pages by a large amount. If so, ON THOSE PAGES, you should consider removing white space. Consider also what you'd ask CF to do if you asked it to remove absolutely every instance of tabs, extra spaces, etc. You'd be doing the equivalent of a REPLACE function which is a string operation, arguably the slowest possible operation a language undertakes (if you rule out external accesses to slow systems - CFHTTP for example). This could dramatically impact your CPU. The CF Admin remove whitespace function essentially is the same thing as putting CFSETTING at the beginning of EVERY page in your server. Allaire recommends that you NOT do this because, let's face it, not all of your pages are going to benefit from having the white space removed. So, if you tell CF to remove white space from ALL of your pages, it's doing a lot of extra work for little or no benefit in most cases. So what's the best approach? My suggestion is to run a page, do a Properties check on it to see how big the resulting file is. Save that file to your PC and then do a manual search/replace on all tabs and double spaces (not singles or sentences will be affected). Save the file and see how much smaller it is. If it's 1-2k you might not want to worry about it depending on your server's capacity and how busy your site is. If, however, the difference is several k, you might want to tune this page up because multiplied by thousands of page views, you're wasting megabytes of bandwidth and causing users to wait even longer for the rest of your site to start downloading. That's my two cents... I hope it helps. --Doug ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists