But here is the rub. What about those companies that host 30 or 40,000 CF
websites in the ultra competitive $9.95 per month. A $5 increase per domain
is 50% increase in costs. Too many users will just bail.
McAllaire never understood that it was the ISP's that offered low cost CF
hosting created a small army of CF developers who then took their skills
developing a small CF app to manage the local soccer club registration
system into the corporate world and build enterprise applications.
Putting the screws to the small ISP hosting company to try and generate
revenue on a per domain license will just force these same ISP's to bail on
CF and start offering PHP and ASP which has no licensing costs. It is too
bad that McAllaire doesn't' get this.
- Steve
Steve Pierce, HDL
"Co-Location starting $99 per month, no setup fee"
(734) 482-9682 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://HDL.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 11:46 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: New CF5 Partner Hosting License
All I can say is, lets wait and see what the price change is. I can't see
CFHosting saying that every customer has to fork up an extra $100 a month
for licensing. An extra $5 or $10, maybe but not a major amount. And that's
all based on the license. Lets say that the license is an extra $2000. On a
shared box with 10 sites that can come to an additional start up fee of $200
or less. Now take into account that most smaller sites may be 50 or 100 to a
box (I'm not sure of exact numbers). So a hosting company may say
"If you want to move up to a box with CF 5 on it we're charging a moving fee
of $20-$50". Doing that as a one time thing will either take care of the
licensing or close enough to it.
As I've said in the past, I know the people at CFHosting (yes, I'm biased).
I don't think they're going to screw the community or themselves on this.
Same goes for the other hosts as well. I also don't think that A/MM is going
to try and destroy the hosting business. They want to make money (who
doesn't) but they also have an eye towards the future. Getting licensing
money from hosting companies isn't as painful as if they asked us ALL for an
extra few thousand. But as I said in the beginning of this post, lets wait
and see.
> But the small development companies, particularly outside the US where
> bandwidth is a lot more expensive, cannot afford to host their own
machines,
> and so we rely on virtual hosts like the CFHosting and the Cyberhost etc
> etc.
>
> If we will have to pay extra for our sites to be hosted on these servers,
to
> cover the cost of licensing, then we will have to rethink our 'commitment'
> to ColdFusion.
>
> The majority of our client choose to use virtual servers for obvious
> reasons, and because they don't have the resources to host or maintain
> in-house. If these restrictions and costs get imposed on the Host
> providers, then they are going to be passed on to us, and then our
clients,
> who are simply going to say that XYZ company are going to write in
> ASP/PHP/JSP and hosting is going to be a fraction of the cost. It already
> costs more to have a CF site hosted than an ASP site... How much more is
> this going to make it??
>
> For the individuals on this list, it may not be a worry... For the small
> development companies, it could well be. And we are talking about
> Macromedia.... See the references in other messages to Generator. Priced
> out of the small-business league. Macromedia are in it for the money,
and
> this is a concern that I've had since the merger.
>
>
>
> on 4/27/01 1:04 PM, Michael Dinowitz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > I think we should look at the original post again and calm down a bit.
> > Notice how they say Hosting Service Providers? They're not talking about
me
> > with my 3 domains on a machine. They're not talking about you with your
2 or
> > whatever domains on your machine. They're talking about CFHosting.com,
who
> > are defined as a business that provides hosting. They're talking about
> > businesses, not people.
> > While I could be wrong on this, I don't think I am. Relax. We'll see how
it
> > goes, but jumping to conclusions and thinking that we have to do the
> > unimaginable (going to asp or perl) is not needed. ColdFusion will be
here
> > for us and I think that A/MM will see us for what we are, an asset to
> > ColdFusion. We've just got to relax.
> >
> >
> >
>
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