on 10/5/08 2:39 am, Andrew Hartig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I know the topic of "what constitutes an instrument as being a > cittern" came up some time ago and was discussed in detail. A search > of the archives should bring it up. One of the arguments came down to > one of shared tuning vs. shared shape vs. perceived fulfillment of a > particular role, etc. > > One thing I thought I might offer to this is a realization that > finally dawned on me (but others may have mentioned before): At least > for citterns of the 16th / early 17th century, they are all (or > nearly all?) united by a common tuning of the top 3 courses, namely > (from low to high) an interval of a fifth followed by a second. The > varying factor then becomes the tuning of the other courses. This > really helps to simplify the differences (or point out the > commonality) of "Italian," "French," hexachord, "Toppel Cythar," and > Virchi's tuning. Thought of in this way, there is really much less to > have to learn in order to switch between the various instruments and tunings. > > If one pursues common tuning as the root of family relation, then > instruments like the saz might be considered to be related through > the use of an interval of a second between the first two courses (at > least in some tunings?). > > Andrew > > > At 11:14 PM 5/6/2008, Damien Delgrossi wrote: >> Good Morning , >> >> I have a question, an organologic one. I hope you'll can answer or >> give an idea to open a debate. Can we considere Turkish Saz, >> Bouzouki (greek, not the Irish one), Syro-Lebanese Buzuk, Napolitan >> Colascione, Cretan Laouto... as Citterns? >> >> Have a good day, >> >> I hope this discussion will interested many citternfriends, >> >> Damien >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > Yes, except for Spain where Minguet y Yrol have a second and a fourth - e', d', a . For a chromatic cittern (with guitar alfabeto equivalents) - they dismiss the partially fretted cittern as defective.
It is surely better to regard them as different animals with particular similarities - like cats and dogs? Peter.
