Charlie, I don't know of any libraries that have used schema.org for
their web site - perhaps others do. If it is used, it should be "picked
up" the next time the search engines index the site. What the search
engines do with schema.org is not guaranteed, but can be observed. It is
not guaranteed because none of the search engines will say what they do,
as that is considered a trade secret (especially from each other).
However, as locations and hours are important for their commercial
customers (stores, restaurants, etc.) I would expect that to be picked
up as a matter of course. Note that already locations and hours for some
businesses do show in the search engines, and that is for sites that are
not yet using schema.org, so the engines have some way of picking that
up from the HTML. The Google side-bar "knowledge graph" for my local
libraries shows " Hours
<https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&biw=1299&bih=561&q=san+francisco+public+library+larkin+street+hours&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDgzYHnxCXfq6-gVlZhbF5sZZ0drKVfk5-cmJJZn4enGGVkV9aVBzLKeznIsHxlTMy2S10V0iJwvZlMgBPWBDOSAAAAA&ei=qhlKVcKWJ8b7oQS65oCQCA&ved=0CJgBEOgTMBA>:
Open today · 9:00 am – 8:00 pm <javascript:void(0)>
" but I have no idea where that comes from.
kc
On 5/6/15 5:22 AM, Charlie Morris wrote:
I'm curious, Karen, Ethan or anyone else, do you know of any examples of
libraries that have implemented schema.org or RDFa for hours data and have
noticed that Google or some other search engine has picked it up (i.e.,
correctly displaying that data as part of the search results)? And if so,
how quickly will Google or the like pickup on changes to hours (i.e.,
shifting between semesters or unplanned changes)?
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Ethan Gruber <ewg4x...@gmail.com> wrote:
+1 on the RDFa and schema.org. For those that don't know the library URL
off-hand, it is much easier to find a library website by Googling than it
is to go through the central university portal, and the hours will show up
at the top of the page after having been harvested by search engines.
On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Karen Coyle <li...@kcoyle.net> wrote:
Note that library hours is one of the possible bits of information that
could be encoded as RDFa in the library web site, thus making it possible
to derive library hours directly from the listing of hours on the web
site
rather than keeping a separate list. Schema.org does have the elements
such
that hours can be encoded. This would mean that hours could show in the
display of the library's catalog entry on Google, Yahoo and Bing. Being
available directly through the search engines might be sufficient, not
necessitating creating yet-another-database for that data.
Schema.org uses a restaurant as its opening hours example, but much of
the
data would be the same for a library:
<div vocab="http://schema.org/"; typeof="Restaurant">
<span property="name">GreatFood</span>
<div property="aggregateRating" typeof="AggregateRating">
<span property="ratingValue">4</span> stars -
based on <span property="reviewCount">250</span> reviews
</div>
<div property="address" typeof="PostalAddress">
<span property="streetAddress">1901 Lemur Ave</span>
<span property="addressLocality">Sunnyvale</span>,
<span property="addressRegion">CA</span> <span
property="postalCode">94086</span>
</div>
<span property="telephone">(408) 714-1489</span>
<a property="url" href="http://www.dishdash.com";>www.greatfood.com</a>
Hours:
<meta property="openingHours" content="Mo-Sa 11:00-14:30">Mon-Sat 11am
-
2:30pm
<meta property="openingHours" content="Mo-Th 17:00-21:30">Mon-Thu 5pm -
9:30pm
<meta property="openingHours" content="Fr-Sa 17:00-22:00">Fri-Sat 5pm -
10:00pm
Categories:
<span property="servesCuisine">
Middle Eastern
</span>,
<span property="servesCuisine">
Mediterranean
</span>
Price Range: <span property="priceRange">$$</span>
Takes Reservations: Yes
</div>
It seems to me that using schema.org would get more bang for the buck --
it would get into the search engines and could also be aggregated into
whatever database is needed. As we've seen with OCLC, having a separate
listing is likely to mean that the data will be out of date.
kc
On 5/5/15 2:19 PM, nitin arora wrote:
I can't see they distinguished between public libraries and other types
on
their campaign page.
They say " all libraries" as far as I can see.
So I suppose then that this is true for "all libraries":
"Libraries offer a space anyone can enter, where money isn't exchanged,
and
documentation doesn't have to be shown."
Who knew fines and library/student-IDs were a thing of the past?
The only data sets I can find where they got the 17,000 number is for
public libraries:
http://www.imls.gov/research/pls_data_files.aspx
Maybe I missed something.
There is an hours field on one of the CSVs I downloaded, etc for 2012
data
(the most recent I could find).
Asking 10k for something targeted for completion in June and without a
grasp on what types of libraries there are and how volatile the hours
information is (especially in crisis) ...
Sounds naive at best, sketchy at worst.
The "flexible funding" button says "this campaign will receive all funds
raised even if it does not reach its goals".
"The value of these places for youth cannot be underestimated."
So is the value of a quick buck ...
On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:53 PM, McCanna, Terran <
tmcca...@georgialibraries.org> wrote:
I'm not at all surprised that this doesn't already exist, and even if
OCLC's was available, I'd be willing to bet it was out of date.
Public library hours, especially in underfunded areas, may fluctuate
depending on funding cycles, seasons (whether school is in or out),
etc.,
not to mention closing/reopening/moving because of old buildings that
need
to be updated. We have around 280 locations in our consortium and we
have
to rely on self-reporting to find out if their hours change. We
certainly
don't have staff time to check every one of their web sites on regular
basis, I can't imagine keeping track of 17,000!
Terran McCanna
PINES Program Manager
Georgia Public Library Service
1800 Century Place, Suite 150
Atlanta, GA 30345
404-235-7138
tmcca...@georgialibraries.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Murray" <jes...@dltj.org>
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 4:36:56 PM
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours
OCLC has an institutional registry [1], which had (in part) library
hours,
addresses, and so forth. It seems to be unavailable, though [2]. That
is
the only systematic collection of library hours data that I know about.
Peter
[1] https://www.oclc.org/worldcat-registry.en.html
[2] https://www.worldcat.org/registry/institution/
On May 5, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Bigwood, David <dbigw...@hou.usra.edu>
wrote:
This looks like a decent group, but I find this statement hard to
believe.
"Your tax-deductible donation supports adding the names, address and
the
hours of operation of all libraries to Range. The Institute of Museum
and
Library Services publishes an open data catalog which is the source
we'll
use for the names and the addresses of the nation's libraries. However,
there isn't a listing of the days and hours of operation for all
libraries
in the US. We are going to track down the hours of operation for all
17,000
libraries and make that information available -- in Range and for other
developers who may want to use it."
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/range-food-and-safe-places-for-youth
Are the hours of public libraries really not available?
Sincerely,
David Bigwood
dbigw...@gmail.com<mailto:dbigw...@gmail.com>
Lunar and Planetary Institute
@LPI_Library
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lunarandplanetaryinstitute/
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skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600
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