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Topics in this digest:
1a. Conlang punctuation.
From: Leonardo Castro
1b. Re: Conlang punctuation.
From: George Corley
1c. Re: Conlang punctuation.
From: Mechthild Czapp
1d. Re: Conlang punctuation.
From: C. Brickner
1e. Re: Conlang punctuation.
From: Roger Mills
1f. Re: Conlang punctuation.
From: Adam Walker
1g. Re: Conlang punctuation.
From: H. S. Teoh
1h. Re: Conlang punctuation.
From: Douglas Koller
1i. Re: Conlang punctuation.
From: BPJ
1j. Re: Conlang punctuation.
From: R A Brown
2.1. Re: Vocalic alternation (was: Is Esperanto Indo-European?)
From: Padraic Brown
2.2. Re: Vocalic alternation (was: Is Esperanto Indo-European?)
From: George Corley
3. Early draft for 'nym' URI
From: DataPacRat
4.1. Re: Sold here / for sale / on sale / on sale here
From: Roger Mills
4.2. Re: Sold here / for sale / on sale / on sale here
From: Padraic Brown
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1a. Conlang punctuation.
Posted by: "Leonardo Castro" leolucas1...@gmail.com
Date: Sat Jun 8, 2013 7:23 am ((PDT))
Do your conlangs have any punctuation peculiarities?
For contextualization:
www.quicksilvertranslate.com/570/some-punctuation-peculiarities
Até mais!
Leonardo
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1b. Re: Conlang punctuation.
Posted by: "George Corley" gacor...@gmail.com
Date: Sat Jun 8, 2013 7:42 am ((PDT))
Generally, for romanizations I just use the same conventions as English for
punctuation and capitalization. Unless your language exists in the real
world, there's really no need to come up with special rules for punctuation.
In-world conscripts are a different animal, though I'm thinking that for my
fantasy world none of the conscripts will be using punctuation or
whitespace (it's a low-literacy environment, so such conventions may not
have developed. Heck, there are plenty of modern scripts that don't use
spaces between words.)
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Leonardo Castro <leolucas1...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Do your conlangs have any punctuation peculiarities?
>
> For contextualization:
> www.quicksilvertranslate.com/570/some-punctuation-peculiarities
>
> Até mais!
>
> Leonardo
>
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1c. Re: Conlang punctuation.
Posted by: "Mechthild Czapp" rejista...@me.com
Date: Sat Jun 8, 2013 7:50 am ((PDT))
On 08.06.2013, at 15:23, Leonardo Castro wrote:
> Do your conlangs have any punctuation peculiarities?
>
> For contextualization:
> www.quicksilvertranslate.com/570/some-punctuation-peculiarities
>
> Até mais!
>
> Leonardo
Rejistanian ,being a language not natively written in Latin, uses its
punctionation peculiarities in transliteration as well. The weirdest thing is
,that subclauses are enclosed in two kinds of comma,.
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1d. Re: Conlang punctuation.
Posted by: "C. Brickner" tepeyach...@embarqmail.com
Date: Sat Jun 8, 2013 8:35 am ((PDT))
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Leonardo Castro <leolucas1...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Do your conlangs have any punctuation peculiarities?
>
In Senjecas:
a. An interpunct (â
)is used instead of spaces between words. This is no
longer used in contemporary scripts, although it may be seen in formal writing.
b. The function of the comma to set off vocative exclamations is taken by a
period (.).
c. The function of the comma to set off dependent clauses, is taken by an em
dash (â). Senjecas makes no distinction between restrictive and
non-restrictive clauses.
d. The function of the period is taken by two raised dots (:).
e. The end of a paragraph is marked by three dots (â®).
f. The function of quotation marks is taken by the quotative particle ɱa(r)
placed before and after the quoted words.
g. Question marks and exclamation points are not used.
h. The spelling of Senjecas is unicameral, i.e., there are no capital letters.
Thus, capital letters are not used when the language is transliterated.
Charlie
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1e. Re: Conlang punctuation.
Posted by: "Roger Mills" romi...@yahoo.com
Date: Sat Jun 8, 2013 1:02 pm ((PDT))
Punctuation is not very well developed in my Kash script. However, a period
(end of sentence) is a dash _ on the line.
Comma look like our hyphen.
Hyphen (in some compounds, also separates 000 in large numbers) looks like our
period.
Decimal point is like a straight comma (not sure it's in the script, however).
There are others, but I'm not entirely sure what/where they are....
I think there's punctuation marks in the Gwr script, but I haven't used it in
such a long time that I forget.....
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1f. Re: Conlang punctuation.
Posted by: "Adam Walker" carra...@gmail.com
Date: Sat Jun 8, 2013 1:50 pm ((PDT))
Carrajina is a Romance language spoken in an alternate history in
North Africa. It uses the inverted question and exclamaition marks
like Spanish does. But the can appear inside the sentence if only part
of the sentence is a question or exclamation. Also only the following,
not the sreceeding exclamation mark is used with an interjection.
Quotes tend to be introduced by a colon and surrounded by guillamets.
Dashes are used in some places where English would use a comma, but it
can't fully explain the rules yet. Appostrophies are used in
contractions.
Gravgaln is an alien language that uses its own script. Words are
delineated (pun!) with a Devanagari-style binding head line. Names are
written under a single line, but with a colon separating
first:last:etc. (A fully-named Gravgurdan has eight names!). A period
is a pyramid of three dots. A double colon:: ends a paragraph. Quotes
start and end with a rickrack-lke vertical zigzag before and after. I
am unsure if there is any other punctuation.
I'm reasonably sure Tvern El had punctuation of some sort, but I can't
remember what it was, at present
Adam.
On 6/8/13, Leonardo Castro <leolucas1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do your conlangs have any punctuation peculiarities?
>
> For contextualization:
> www.quicksilvertranslate.com/570/some-punctuation-peculiarities
>
> Até mais!
>
> Leonardo
>
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1g. Re: Conlang punctuation.
Posted by: "H. S. Teoh" hst...@quickfur.ath.cx
Date: Sat Jun 8, 2013 3:29 pm ((PDT))
On Sat, Jun 08, 2013 at 11:23:32AM -0300, Leonardo Castro wrote:
> Do your conlangs have any punctuation peculiarities?
>
> For contextualization:
> www.quicksilvertranslate.com/570/some-punctuation-peculiarities
[...]
That depends on whether you're talking about punctuation in
Romanizations, or punctuation in native writing. (See below.)
On Sat, Jun 08, 2013 at 09:42:54AM -0500, George Corley wrote:
> Generally, for romanizations I just use the same conventions as
> English for punctuation and capitalization. Unless your language
> exists in the real world, there's really no need to come up with
> special rules for punctuation.
Well, some of our conlangs are supposed to exist in a fictional analogue
of the real world, so this is still a possible consideration. :)
Anyway, for Ebisedian, the native writing distinguishes between word
breaks, sentence breaks, and paragraph breaks. These are NOT represented
as spaces or punctuation marks; rather, the glyphs have different forms
depending on whether they are medial, word-final, sentence-final, or
paragraph-final. So line-wrapping isn't guaranteed to happen between
words; it's perfectly valid (and customary) to break lines in the middle
of a word since there is no ambiguity.
Nevertheless, this system is easily mapped to English-style punctuation
in the orthography; word breaks just get translated to spaces, and
paragraph breaks translate to paragraph breaks. Sentence breaks are
translated to various English equivalents depending on context: the
native writing does not differentiate between the various kinds of
clause boundaries in English: ".", ",", ":", ";", "?", "!" are all
simply sentence-breaks. So in the orthography the translator has the
freedom to choose one of these marks based on context and analogy with
English.
For Tatari Faran, I haven't worked out the native writing system yet;
but the Romanization simply uses English conventions. The only
peculiarity is that I chose to not use capital letters at all, so
everything is in lowercase, including proper nouns. (Why? I'm not sure I
remember, I think it's because I wanted to convey the kind of
simplistic, informal culture surrounding the language, in imitation of
casual online chats where capitalization is frequently eschewed.)
In both Ebisedian and Tatari Faran, quotation marks simply use " like in
English; in the native writing, there are no such marks because the
grammar makes it unambiguous what is quoted and what isn't. At least, in
Ebisedian this is strictly the case, but in Tatari Faran, quotation
terminators are sometimes elided, so some amount of judgment based on
context may be required.
> In-world conscripts are a different animal, though I'm thinking that
> for my fantasy world none of the conscripts will be using punctuation
> or whitespace (it's a low-literacy environment, so such conventions
> may not have developed. Heck, there are plenty of modern scripts that
> don't use spaces between words.)
[...]
Ebisedian native writing completely eschews inter-word spaces.
Word-breaks trigger a change in the glyph that represents the final
syllable of the word, so adding blank space is redundant. Moreover,
question marks and exclamation marks are not marked in any different way
from a regular sentence-break; they are usually clear from context and
grammar. And as I mentioned, line-wrapping can happen anywhere,
including the middle of a word (well, technically, anywhere at syllable
boundaries; the sanokí script uses a single glyph for the initial
consonant and a bunch of diacritics for vowels, length, etc.).
(The above only applies to the sanokí script, though. There's another
native script, called the koromokí, that uses color patterns to indicate
meaning. I haven't actually worked out any details of this, but the idea
is that color patterns represent phonemes, so one could decorate one's
walls with messages by painting the appropriate color patterns on it.
Obviously, there would be no such thing as punctuation in this system.)
Tatari Faran native writing, though I haven't fully fleshed it out yet,
is a vertical writing with short, wide glyphs that stack on top of each
other to form columns. Vowels and syllable codas are indicated by left-
and/or right- diacritics. Word-final syllables are marked with a change
in glyph or perhaps a diacritic/ligature. I haven't decided on what to
do with sentence breaks; maybe each clause will stand on its own
vertical column. There won't be anything like commas, question marks, or
exclamation marks; word order is already conveys the intention of the
utterance, so there's no need to have additional indications for it. The
san faran are not interested in such nitpicky details -- they're more
into the pragmatic side of things. So in all likelihood, TF writing will
probably only have at most a single punctuation mark for clausal
boundaries, or have no punctuation at all.
T
--
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1h. Re: Conlang punctuation.
Posted by: "Douglas Koller" douglaskol...@hotmail.com
Date: Sat Jun 8, 2013 9:48 pm ((PDT))
> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 11:23:32 -0300
> From: leolucas1...@gmail.com
> Subject: Conlang punctuation.
> To: conl...@listserv.brown.edu
> Do your conlangs have any punctuation peculiarities?
*Way* back in the day, Géarthnuns had its own punctuation marks, but that was
rather twee and got real old real fast, even by nascent teen conlanger
standards. So now, periods are periods. Commas follow the German model grafted
onto my own liberal peppering if I want to take a breath (and I've forgotten
the name of the usage, but in English, I still put a comma before the last item
in a list -- drives me nuts not to see it, but I'm in a losing minority on this
one). Consequently, commas get a fairly rigorous work-out. Quotes get the
German treatment, sort of. It's not , but (if that shows up -- it does
here), no need to set the quote off with additional commas, colons, or periods.
Hyphens work the Germanic way when dealing with compound nouns (eg. Apfel- und
Birnbäume). Titles of books and things get « ». Géarthnuns script is
unicameral, but I capitalize proper personal and place names as well as titles
in the romanization just to give people (and myself) a break. Months and days
are not capitalized.
Kou
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1i. Re: Conlang punctuation.
Posted by: "BPJ" b...@melroch.se
Date: Sun Jun 9, 2013 3:14 am ((PDT))
2013-06-08 16:23, Leonardo Castro skrev:
> Do your conlangs have any punctuation peculiarities?
>
> For contextualization:
> www.quicksilvertranslate.com/570/some-punctuation-peculiarities
>
> Até mais!
>
> Leonardo
>
Rhodrese (aka Borgonzay) is a fictional Romance language in an
alternate timeline, so it uses the normal European punctuation
marks. I'm not sure about the details, but it does *not* use the
Spanish style inverted exlamation and question marks, and it uses
»outer quotes and âinner quotesâ like this«[^1] mainly because it
wants to be bloody different from French. The apostrophe is
heavily used to show elision, so the non-use of single quotes
removes ambiguity. Although not strictly punctuation it also uses
the middle dot (_el peuntxí_) to distinguish _d·g g·l g·n l·l
s·c/s·ç s·g_ [dg gl gn l(Ë) s(Ë) zg/sk] from _dg gl gn ll sc sç
sg_ [tÊ Ê É² ɽ Ê Ê/Ê] like in _gli g·lisg_ [ÊɪËgliÊ] 'the
churches'. There are spelling reformists who instead use _Ä£ ļ Å Å
Åc/Åç Å_ for the graphemes which are undotted in the official
system, plus _Å£_ instead of _tx_ and _á¸_ for /dÊ/ which is
etymologically derived from D, like _girre/á¸irre_ DIÌCERE. From
an extrafictional POV I think the alternative system is way
unnnaturalistic for a European language with 1 ky writing
tradidtion packed on top of the Latin tradition!
Sohlob 'transcription' uses English or Swedish or whatever
punctuation conventions depending on what it's embedded in. The
native script unsystematically uses arrangements of dots and
dashes -- the more dots the bigger the break, with some texts
even using · between words -- and a symbol vaguely resembling an
¤ between sections, again the more the higher the divisions.
Sohlshan philologists use single and double
underlining/overlining much like their counterparts here would
use different fonts, quotes, asterisks and the like, with a
double underline (transcribed as italics) signaling a meta-
quotation, and single underlining signaling a definition. Further
elaborations are used less systematized for other distinctions,
like reconstruction, transliteration, different languages.
/bpj
[^1]: Called _eunglit gren/pitxit_ ([ÊÅgËlit ËgÊÉn/pɪËtÊit]
lit. 'big/tiny little nails' -- always plural since
they go in pair in two senses, but the singular would be
_unglete grande/pitxete_ [uÅgËlÉtɪ ËgÊandɪ/pɪËtÊÉtɪ]).
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1j. Re: Conlang punctuation.
Posted by: "R A Brown" r...@carolandray.plus.com
Date: Sun Jun 9, 2013 5:15 am ((PDT))
On 09/06/2013 11:13, BPJ wrote:
> 2013-06-08 16:23, Leonardo Castro skrev:
>> Do your conlangs have any punctuation peculiarities?
[snip]
> Rhodrese (aka Borgonzay) is a fictional Romance language
> in an alternate timeline, so it uses the normal European
> punctuation marks. I'm not sure about the details, but it
> does *not* use the Spanish style inverted exlamation and
> question marks,
The same will certainly apply to the still nameless British
Romance I announced on:
http://www.carolandray.plus.com/Britannic/index.html
but ...
> and it uses »outer quotes and âinner
> quotesâ like this«
Not sure at present how quotes will be shown.
TAKE uses, as one would expect, normal _Greek_ punctuation.
I don't think Dr Outis was over-concerned about punctuation.
From what I see, his language used the contemporary (i.e.
17th century) western European punctuation ;)
Had I not abandoned both Bax (aka Piashi) and Brx, they
would have developed some eccentricities. Indeed the
embryonic morphologies I began contain one or two oddities
of punctuation:
http://www.carolandray.plus.com/Briefscript/Piashi_Grammar.html
http://www.carolandray.plus.com/Briefscript/PhonAndOrthog.html
--
Ray
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"language ⦠began with half-musical unanalysed expressions
for individual beings and events."
[Otto Jespersen, Progress in Language, 1895]
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2.1. Re: Vocalic alternation (was: Is Esperanto Indo-European?)
Posted by: "Padraic Brown" elemti...@yahoo.com
Date: Sat Jun 8, 2013 8:46 am ((PDT))
--- On Sat, 6/8/13, C. Brickner <tepeyach...@embarqmail.com> wrote:
> I've always like the example: Venezuela, venezolano.
Indeed -- there's also Portoriquenyo, but Puertoriquenyo gets far more
hits. As well as puerto / portillo.
Padraic
> Charlie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> --- On Sat, 6/8/13, R A Brown <r...@carolandray.plus.com>
> wrote:
>
> > > It could be that Romance carries some of those
> over into
> > > the modern languages.
> >
> > But by that time they were regarded as independent
> words.
> > The various vowel alternations that are found in the
> > Romance languages, e.g. Spanish verbs with -ie- ~ -e- ~
> i
> > alternation, and _-ue- ~ -o- ~ -u- alternation, are
> the
> > result of _regular_ development of Vulgar Latin vowels
> in
> > different phonetic environments. They are nothing
> > whatsoever to do with IE ablaut, nor with umlaut of
> any
> > kind.
>
> Right. As with the French example, these have to do with the
> treatment
> of stressed vowels. As I recall, stressed long o becomes ue
> and stressed
> long e becomes ie. Thus pó:to > puedo while in the
> infinitive and 1&2
> plural, the stress shifts to the ending: potére > poder.
> In school, we
> learned these as "boot" verbs. Because the usual arrangement
> of the
> conjugation looks something like a boot, especially when the
> altered
> vowel forms are outlined.
>
> This isn't confined to verbs of course: Puerto Rico (a nice
> agglomeration
> of Latin and Visigothic that!) shows the same variation.
>
> > Ray
>
> Welcome back, by the way!
>
> Padraic
>
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2.2. Re: Vocalic alternation (was: Is Esperanto Indo-European?)
Posted by: "George Corley" gacor...@gmail.com
Date: Sat Jun 8, 2013 8:55 am ((PDT))
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Padraic Brown <elemti...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --- On Sat, 6/8/13, C. Brickner <tepeyach...@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I've always like the example: Venezuela, venezolano.
>
> Indeed -- there's also Portoriquenyo, but Puertoriquenyo gets far more
> hits. As well as puerto / portillo.
Puertorriqueño is the standard spelling. The doubled r indicates that the
initial trill is preserved.
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3. Early draft for 'nym' URI
Posted by: "DataPacRat" datapac...@gmail.com
Date: Sat Jun 8, 2013 12:11 pm ((PDT))
I'm currently looking into proposing a new URI, loosely based on
'tag:' ( http://www.taguri.org/ , https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4151
), to use for peer-to-peer distributed reputation systems. It occurs
to me that what I've put together so far is sufficiently language-like
that I may be able to get some useful commentary, criticism, and
suggestions from experienced conlangers; so I'm posting this here, in
hopes of evoking constructive feedback.
What I am aiming for is a common protocol that can easily express this
idea: "Authority A asserts that X and Y refer to the same entity"
(with a certain amount of certainty) (with an optional comment field)
(with an optional authentication hash).
Early draft for 'nym' URI
In math, '0.999...' and '1' are different representations of the same
underlying concept. Multiple social media profiles and contact methods
can represent the same underlying person. Books can be referred to by
their author and title, or their ISBN. The 'nym' URI announces that a
given authority asserts that two or more representations both refer,
at least in a general sense, to the same thing; that is, they describe
the same entity in different formats.
Preliminary formatting structure idea:
nym:Authority[,date]:(Identity1)[,date];(Identity2)[,date][;(Identity3)[,date]][?comment1[&comment2][#authenticationHash]
The 'date' fields can be any valid ISO 8601 date or time-and-date. If
present, they should contain at least a four-digit year. The date for
the authority field may indicate any time when the authority field
referred to the authority making the assertion, in the same fashion as
the "tag:" URI. The date for the authority field should refer to a
date reasonably closely correlated with when the authority is making
the assertion. The dates for the identity fields, if present, should
refer to a point in time when that identity is connected to the
underlying entity.
The Authority and Identity fields can be any relevant string. In
descending order of preference, these should be:
* Well-formed URIs (eg, "http://www.example.com/SocialMediaProfile";)
* Email addresses lacking the "mailto:"; header (which should be
assumed to be identical to a field containing that header)
* Domain names
* Valid vCard property types (such as "key:" to indicate a public
encryption key)
* Valid FOAF property labels (such as "openid:")
* Some other field of the form "generalLabel:particularEntity" (eg,
"LibraryCard:23043001054082")
* Any other string
The Authority and Identity fields may have characters escaped. If they
contain characters which would allow for misinterpretation of the
overall nym statement, they must be escaped. They fields may be
enclosed in quotation marks.
The comment fields may contain additional information, which is
peripheral to the relationship being asserted between the Identities.
Possible uses may include trustcloud whuffie scores, or how the
authority knows the individual being identified.
If a comment field is a number, that number is assumed to be how
confident the authority is that all the listed identifiers all refer
to the same entity, measured in decibans. (Decibans are logarithmic,
with 0 decibans being equivalent to 1:1 odds, or being 50% confident;
10 decibans to 10:1 odds, or ~90% confident; 20 decibans to 100:1
odds, or ~99% confident; and so on.) It is recommended that these
numbers be integers, unless there is a specific reason to be able to
specify confidence to greater accuracy; and with a magnitude under
128, as it requires extraordinary effort to have 100 decibans of
confidence for even the most fundamental facts. If no specific
confidence field is entered, the confidence value of the overall nym
statement should only be assumed to be 'greater than zero'.
While people tend to be very bad at assigning accurate confidence
levels (eg, when people claim to be 90% sure of something, they're
often wrong 50% of the time), their initial estimates of their
confidence levels can be used as the inputs for more sophisticated
Bayesian algorithms. Until such time as more accurate estimates are
available, here are some possible sample confidence levels:
0 decibans: 50%: You're not sure whether the last digit of the phone
number is a 3 or a 5.
1 decibans: 55% Just slightly more likely than not; a business card
handed to you by a stranger.
Up to 10 decibans: to 90%: Someone you've chatted to for an evening.
Up to 20 decibans: to 99%: A distant acquaintance, who you talk to once a year.
Up to 30 decibans: to 99.9%: A co-worker who might have been
re-organized into a new email since you last heard from them.
Up to 40 decibans: to 99.99%: A family member, who you might
accidentally have mis-spelled the email address of.
Around 100 decibans: Your own personal information, closely checked.
(There's still a theoretical chance that you're wrong, just as there's
a theoretical chance that you're the star of something like the Truman
Show.)
127 decibans: Data which relies on yourself alone, thoroughly
re-checked and confirmed by others.
The authentication hash is to provide strong evidence that the listed
authority is actually the one making the assertion. By default, it is
assumed to be based on whatever public cryptographic key (eg,
PGP/GnuPG or X.509) is linked to the listed authority ID; and that
what is being signed is the string of text before the hashmark.
Some examples:
nym:example.com:(datapac...@datapacrat.com),2013-06-05;(http://twitter.com/DataPacRat),2013-06-05;(Daniel
Eliot Boese)?100&TrustCloud,774&Klout,29#randomhashofletters
... to indicate that as of that particular date, I indicate with
extremely high confidence that my name, email address, and Twitter
account all point to me, and that I have two social media scores.
nym:example.com:(example.com);(KEY;PGP:http://example.com/key.pgp)
Example.com asserts that its public key can be found at a particular URL.
nym:example.com:(ID1),2000;(ID1),2001
Example.com asserts that that the same identity referred to the same
individual on two different dates. Unless some other nym statement is
made, it may be assumed that what is being asserted is that the
identity referred to the same individual during the entire period
between those dates.
nym:example.com:(ID1),2000-12-31;(ID1),2001-01-01?-100
Example.com asserts with strong confidence that ID1 referred to an
entity on one day, but did not refer to it on another day. This can be
used to revoke an identity, such as if example.com shut down a social
media account. (Note that a nym statement with a positive confidence
level asserts that /all/ the identities refer to the same entity;
while a nym statement with a negative confidence level assrts that /at
least one/ of the identities does not refer to the same entity as the
others. Thus, in order to make what identity is being revoked clear,
the revocation statement should only contain two identity fields.)
Thank you for your time,
--
DataPacRat
"Then again, I could be wrong."
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4.1. Re: Sold here / for sale / on sale / on sale here
Posted by: "Roger Mills" romi...@yahoo.com
Date: Sat Jun 8, 2013 12:53 pm ((PDT))
In Kash, "for sale" or "on sale here" (i.e. available) would be _misorom_ 'we
sell...' (noun form atorom 'a sale')
"on sale" (i.e at a reduced price) would have to be _misorom XX mevini omban_
'we sell XX its price less' or you might use _acimo_ 'a good buy, bargain'.
"Everything on sale!" would be _yuno mevini omban_ 'all its price less', or
_yuno acimo_. Formal would use a causative form _(mende) mirumomban yuno meviç_
'we (have) reduce(d) all prices'
"buy" and "purchase" are the same word, _traka_ (noun form andraka 'a
purchase/buy')
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4.2. Re: Sold here / for sale / on sale / on sale here
Posted by: "Padraic Brown" elemti...@yahoo.com
Date: Sun Jun 9, 2013 5:33 am ((PDT))
--- On Fri, 6/7/13, G. van der Vegt <gijsstri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The point isn't that purchase isn't a verb but that buy is not a noun.
> Sale is always a noun.
For what it's worth, "did you sale it" gets almost a quarter of a million
hits; "can I sale" gets more than half; "I'm going to sale" gets over a
million. Even the perfect ("X saled it") gets a few thousand.
Just saying!
No comments on whether it's "right" or "wrong", just that for some tens of
thousands of speakers of English, "sale" has been well and truly verbed.
Padraic
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