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>>Yahoo's new system works like this: Once a message is composed, it
>>travels, unencrypted, to Yahoo,
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>So feel no fear in sending anything you wouldn't mind being read before 
>it's encrypted?
>I'm surprised AOL isn't offering this "security feature" as well ... 
>I feel safer already :~)

While I don't like (what I've seen described here of) the Yahoo secure 
mail system, it isn't a priori preposterous.  In fact, in many cases it 
makes a great deal of sense.

The question is what your threat model is.  Although it's possible to 
pick up email on the wire, in many cases it's quite hard.  
Eavesdropping on an ISP's backbone is extremely difficult; the links 
are very fast, are often not Ethernet or some other easily-tapped 
medium, and providers have learned not to put general-purpose (and 
hence hackable) machines on their backbone.  

The real threats come near the edges, and in the spool files where the 
mail sits before being delivered or picked up.  The latter, in 
particular, is quite great.  If the encryption happens on a separate, 
secure machine before storage, it might be quite good against that 
threat -- and if both parties to a conversation are using dial-up 
links, there is little to worry about.

Sure, if you're a possible target of Carnivore, this is grossly 
insufficient.  But that doesn't descibe most people.  Their threat 
probably comes from their very own machines, and is best defeated by 
any mailer that doesn't leave plaintext lying around, either in a Trash 
folder or in a Web cache.

                --Steve Bellovin



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