from alt.talk.royalty: Subject: Peerage to US citizen? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Louis Epstein) Date: Wed, Dec 30, 1998 22:46 EST Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The retiring chairman of Ford,Sir Alexander Trotman,is made a Life Peer in the New Year Honours List.The Times article claims he is now a USA citizen,which would make this award most unusual...he would not be entitled to privileges of the peerage in the UK,and the title would be ignored here. (Not the only British-born head of a USA enterprise who has been honoured lately....Sir Dennis Weatherstone is the immediate past chairman of J.P. Morgan and Company...not sure of his citizenship, but in each case when their knighthoods were mentioned I assumed they had remained British). Subject: Re: Peerage to US citizen? From: Lee Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, Dec 31, 1998 11:03 EST Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> According to British citizenship policy, once a Brit always a Brit until you formally renounce your citizenship to the Home office. According to British law, he can be a dual citizenship thus be allowed to have the rights and privileges as a peerage. According to US law, he can not give his allegiance to any other government; however the only way to have your citizenship revoked it through the Attorney General taking action of revocation. Additionally, the President and the Prime Minister are consulted about peerage for those who are US citizens and are usually accord these privileges; ie. Sir Ronald Reagan, Sir General Schwartzkopf the general of the Persian War.... Immigration Information Officer (yes for real) Subject: Re: Viscount Astor (was Re: Peerage to US citizen?) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Louis Epstein) Date: Fri, Jan 1, 1999 14:26 EST Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Walter Kaufman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: : There are two Astor's in the House of Lords. Viscount Astor and Lord : Astor of Hever. They are, of course, related. Both peers today, : frequently sit and speak in the house. One is, I think, even a shadow : minister. The first Lord Astor of Hever was a younger brother of the 2nd Viscount Astor...they were both born in the USA,in the lifetime of their grandfather John Jacob Astor III(died 1890) and emigrated with their father,who as noted was naturalized a British subject before being created a peer.I am not sure whether they needed to undergo separate naturalization themselves.All their successors have been born in the UK. Subject: Re: Peerage to US citizen? From: Edwin King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, Dec 31, 1998 15:35 EST Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lee Carter wrote: > According to US law, he can not give > his allegiance to any other government; however the only way to have your > citizenship revoked it through the Attorney General taking action of > revocation. Additionally, the President and the Prime Minister are > consulted about peerage for those who are US citizens and are usually > accord these privileges; ie. Sir Ronald Reagan, Sir General Schefkophf(sic) > the general of the Persian War.... Well, there are significant diferences between knighthoods and peerages, inasmuch as a peer has a seat in the legislature and in taking it up swears an oath of allegiance: this would seem to fall outside US law as you state it.
