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Major Jordan, Atomic Shipments to USSR, Baruch Plan &
Convergence
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(1) Prudent Bear missing the obvious
(2) Prudent Bear only half-right; Immigration as solution to shortage of
workers
(3) Religion Helps Shape Wealth Of Americans, Study Finds
(4) to (6) Major Jordan, Atomic Shipments to USSR, Baruch Plan &
Convergence

(1) Prudent Bear missing the obvious

Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 17:31:23 -0000 From: "Rowan Berkeley"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Much as I love prudentbear, I fear they are missing the obvious; when
America
has borrowed enough money to build a global space-based offensive weapon
system and bring it to operational status, the question of America owing
money
to people will cease to be of major significance, since anyone who
demands
their money back can be zapped from low orbit.

(2) Prudent Bear only half-right; Immigration as solution to shortage of
workers

Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:42:27 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Whatever. The purpose of financial advisories like Prudent (?) Bear is
not to
tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth -- it's to
make
money by purveying part of the truth. (not much different than the
general
media, which might be cheaper for the average person)

Most economic terminology and equations are the equivalent of alchemy
formulas
in Old English. USD is finally depreciating because it is massively
inflated.
By exporting the inflation and allowing domestic "bubble markets" to
rise, the
principal problem has been evaded here for years, while laying off most
of the
downside on developing countries which have to pay for imports
(particularly
oil) in USD. Foreign cooperation, buying into the US through treasuries
and
market purchases (military, stock, or otherwise), helped keep the dance
going along.

Although true price inflation is masked by manipulated CPI components,
there
is no doubt the trade deficit resulting from cheap imported goods are a
factor
as well. So much for transplanting the definition of inflation at the
printing
press to merely resulting retail price increases.

Deflation? Consumers are still buying (and borrowing); savings are next
to nil
(could be even below nil) and no one wants to "sit on cash". Yet
velocity of
circulation is low (government revenue down). Living on early retirement
saving withdrawals and equity borrowing keeps many households out of
bankruptcy for the time-being.

Companies aren't hiring. Real wage increases are non-existent. Good jobs
are
exported to foreign countries, while cheap labor is admitted through
legal and
illegal immigration. H1-B visas have been only slightly curbed. But it's
the
concentration of low-end competition which really pulls wages down.
Giving
illegal immigrants some "legally recognized" status will not solve any
of
these problems.

Immigration is also perceived to be a solution to the Social Security
problem
of too few workers in the future (the environmentalists' dilemma).
However,
most immigrants will never achieve the earnings of average workers
decades
ago. Remittances to their home countries abroad take USD out of
circulation
here. They add push to housing costs and drag on social services.

(IIRC, some 90%+ of US currency circulates outside the US, but I only
saw the
figure once and could be wrong.)

The full consequences of the S&L fiasco of the '80s, the peso bail-out,
the
Asian currency crisis, the LTCM bail-out (which was actually a banking
bail-out), among others, have never been adequately taken into account.

Modern times:

Greenspan politely refrains from pointing out that the federal
government
spends every extra dime that is paid into social security, puts IOUs
into the
"trust fund" and the infamous "borrowing" is just an accounting gimmick
to
delay interest payments from time to time; that congressional
legislation and
executive administration of policies are responsible for at least part
of
flight of business operations to foreign soil; etc.

Congress politely refrains from pointing out that Federal Reserve policy
ignores unregulated euro-dollar debt syndication (Enron, WorldCom,
Global
Crossing -- far bigger than the equity share sales); that as a privately
held
corporation, the Fed's first interest is not the general public; that
the most
manipulated currency is USD; only a few diehard representatives still
talk
about an audit of the Fed books; etc.

Mop-up operations are necessitated from time to time due to the
collusion of
Fed and government policies which perpetrate nothing less than fraud on
the
public. Racketeering at its finest. Neither the Federal Reserve nor
congress
will publically pin the hammer on the illicit and evil black ops money
operators since they (or their associates) are benefitting -- and
because
naysayers are ignored at best, imperiled at worst.

This is not "economics". It's mystical dogma. Like Marxism, definitions
are
invented to serve the dogma. When reality diverges from the definitions,
the
dogma is stubbornly maintained. Rarely, a new term is invented -- like
"stagflation" -- befuddling, because at the time, those who understood
the
real cause weren't about to explain it to the masses.

Maybe another new term will be invented for the situation today.
Defreciation?
"During the '70s, Americans were stagflated. In the late '90s and early
21st
century, they were defreciated."

Out with new, in with the old:

In 1913, Ford began mass production of the Model T; he raised worker pay
to $5
a day. Three years later, two shareholders sued for breach of fiduciary
responsibility, complaining the money he was putting into plant
expansion
should be going to dividend Immigration is also perceived to be a
solution to
the Social Security problem of too few workers in the future They won.

>From 1996 to 2002, retained profits plunged while dividends soared.

Depleted pension funds are a hazard, particularly the defined benefit
programs
(especially in the automotive industry). Personal savings have fallen
dramatically since 1992, while mortgage equity withdrawal shot up.

Commercial bank return on equity has been essentially flat for more than
a
decade; there are more non-performing loans and credit losses, though
they
make up a smaller portion of bank equity ("made up for" by higher fees
and
interest rates -- and back they go to hedge-land, tra la).

[[Financial Stability Review 2002: December 2002 -- US
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/fsr/fsr13art1sec2.pdf ]]

The enemy of my enemy is an still an enemy and I'm not going to make
friends:

US foreign diplomacy of "malice toward none, good will to all" has been
replaced by the three Bs (in descending order): bribery, bullying,
bombing.
Mad Albright excelled; Powell is castigated by the B-ers in the Pentagon
for
not being oppressive enough.

There's a whole herd of elephants ... plus the crazy grandmother in the
attic,
the man behind the curtain, and rats in the basement eating the corn.

(3) Religion Helps Shape Wealth Of Americans, Study Finds

Ohio State Research

http://www.osu.edu/researchnews/archive/relgwlth.htm

COLUMBUS, Ohio � A new national study shows that religious affiliation
plays a
powerful role in how much wealth Americans accumulate, with Jews
amassing the
most wealth and conservative Protestants the least.

Mainline Protestants and Catholics fall in between and are about average
with
the rest of the population in terms of overall wealth.

Moreover, people who attend religious services regularly build more
wealth
than those who don�t, the study found.

The effect of religion is robust, even after taking into account
inheritances,
levels of education and other factors affecting wealth that may be
associated
with particular religious denominations, said Lisa Keister, author of
the
study and associate professor of sociology at Ohio State University.

�Religion is an important factor in wealth accumulation, a factor that
hasn�t
received a lot of attention,� Keister said.

�The results suggest people draw on the tools they learn from religion
to
develop strategies for saving, investing and spending, and those tools
may be
different in various faiths.�

The study is published in the September issue of the journal Social
Forces.

Keister used data from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth. The
NLSY is
a nationwide survey, conducted by Ohio State for the U.S. Bureau of
Labor
Statistics, which follows a group of people over time, visiting each
participant annually or biennially. She used data on 4,950 participants
collected from 1985 through 1998.

Overall, the median net worth of Jewish people in the survey was
$150,890,
more than three times the median for the entire sample ($48,200). The
median
net worth for conservative Protestants (which included Baptists,
Jehovah�s
Witnesses, Seventh-Day Adventists, Christian Scientists, among others)
was
$26,200, or about half the overall average. The median net worth of
mainstream
Protestants (including Episcopalians, Methodists, Presbyterians,
Lutherans,
Unitarians and others) and Catholics were similar to each other and
about the
average for the whole sample.

While some may say that the results confirm religious stereotypes, such
as the
contention that Jewish people are greedy and acquisitive, Keister
strongly disagrees.

�What I�m finding is that families have a powerful influence on how
people
learn to save, and religion is often an important part of family life,�
Keister said. �The things children are taught in Jewish homes are very
different than those that are taught in conservative Protestant homes.�

But it wasn�t just religious affiliation itself that had an impact on
wealth
accumulation. The study found that people who regularly attended
religious
services tended to be more wealthy.

�It seems strange � why should it matter whether you go to church in
terms of
building wealth?� Keister said. �But going to religious services may be
another opportunity, especially for Jews, to be indoctrinated with
beliefs
that help build wealth. Also, it is a social network issue � a church or
synagogue can be a good place to meet people with investment tips or
money to
loan for a new business.�

The religious beliefs children learn in their families translate into
educational attainment, adult occupations, financial literacy, social
connections and other factors that influence adult wealth ownership, she
said.

Religious teachings of different faiths may influence spending and
saving
strategies in a variety of ways, according to Keister.

For example, conservative Protestants often emphasize prayer and trust
in God,
which may reduce their desire to invest. Conservative Protestants also
look
forward to the rewards of the afterlife and don�t promote acquiring
wealth as
a good for this life.

Jews, on the other hand, don�t have a strong orientation to the
afterlife, but
encourage pursuits that will lead to wealth accumulation, such as
high-income
careers and investing.

Mainline Protestants and Roman Catholics were at one time distinct from
each
other and from the rest of the population, Keister said, but this study
shows
that the distinctiveness has diminished in recent years. The result is
that
both groups look like the rest of the population in terms of wealth.

These religious backgrounds lead people of various faiths to take
different
financial trajectories in their lives, Keister said.

In the study, she examined how religious affiliation related to some
typical
financial trajectories for Americans. For example, only 1 percent of
Jewish
people remained asset poor throughout life, compared to 15 percent of
conservative Protestants. About 9 percent of mainline Protestants and 7
percent of Catholics followed this trajectory.

The most common trajectory is to buy a home relatively early in life and
then
accumulate other assets, such as stocks and bonds, later. About 35
percent of
Jews followed this path, compared to 3 percent of conservative
Protestants, 22
percent of mainline Protestants and 20 percent of Catholics.

Jewish people stood out in a third trajectory in which people invest
early in
life in high-risk, high-return assets such as stocks and bonds and build
wealth quickly while putting less emphasis on homeownership. About
one-third
of Jews followed this path, compared to no conservative Protestants, 7
percent
of mainline Protestants and 4 percent of Catholics.

Keister emphasized that religion is only one among many factors that
influence
wealth. This research is part of a larger series of studies Keister is
doing
to explain why some people accumulate more wealth than others. She said
that
once she began studying wealth, the impact of religion stood out
plainly.

�Religion keeps coming up in any model you run to explain wealth,� she
said.
�It�s something you can�t ignore, but there�s been little effort to
explain
the connection between religion and wealth accumulation.�

Keister said she hopes the results of the study can be used to help
others
build more wealth.

�There are lessons to be learned here,� she said. �For example, we can
take
what we see happening in Jewish families and translate that into ways to
help
others teach their children about building wealth.�

The study was partially funded by the American Sociological Association.

# Contact: Lisa Keister, (614) 688-8685; [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Written by Jeff Grabmeier, (614) 292-8457; [EMAIL PROTECTED]

(4) Major Jordan, Atomic Shipments to USSR, Baruch Plan & Convergence

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:16:46 -0800 From: Phil Eversoul
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: your article in Rense:

Zionist Plans For World Government - 1946 / 2-22-4 and the Baruch Plan.

Have you read the book by Major George Racy Jordan that shows that in
1943-44
Roosevelt shipped all the atomic bomb plans and all the materials used
in the
Manhattan Project to Stalin via Siberia? This was under the charge of
Harry
Hopkins. Major Jordan kept a copy of the invoices and shipping records.
Solid evidence.

If you have read it, what do you think of it?

REPLY (Peter M):

Phil,

Yes, I have it somewhere.

I can't recall the details, e.g. whether it says Roosevelt knew about
it, or
to what extent Hopkins knew the details.

Jordan�s allegations relate to the perid when World War II was still
raging.
Defeating Nazi Germany was seen as the top priority, and the USSR
treated as a
full ally, especially as it was doing most of the fighting.

There was no perception, at the time, that the Cold War would soon break
out.

When it did, it was at the urging not only of the Far Right, who had
opposed
the USSR all along as the greatest danger, but also of the Neo-Cons of
the
time, who had been Trotskyists, such as James Burnham. I would also
place
Arthur Koestler in the Trotskyist camp, because he combined moderate
Zionism
with Communism. A number of such Marxist Anti-Communists joined the CIA
at the
forefront of the Cold War, as Frances Stonor Saunders shows in her book
Who
Paid the Piper? The CIA and the Cultural Cold War.

If you consider the Baruch Plan of 1946, here you find many of those who
helped the USSR get nuclear weapons supporting a plan to
"internationalize"
the bomb, i.e. place it in the hands of a "World Government" body.

Bertrand Russell even said that the West should threaten war if the USSR
did
not comply.

It is arguable that the international body would have been under US
control.
Yet, many of those backing the proposal, in the "advertisement" that
appeared
in the Bulletin of the Scientists, were scientists who helped the USSR
get the bomb.

The "advertisement" - March 1, 1946, back page - is about a book called
"One
World Or None". Authors include Bohr, Oppenheimer, Szilard, Einstein, &
Walter
Lippmann:
http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/bas460301-back-page.jpg

Pavel Sudoplatov, head of Stalin's spies, is a good source on the Atomic
Spies: http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/atomic-spies.html

(5) Major Jordan, Atomic Shipments to USSR, Baruch Plan & Convergence

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:22:59 -0800 From: Phil Eversoul
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

As a follow-up to the note I just sent you about Major Jordan, it
strikes me
that Stalin's rejection of the Baruch Plan was probably the major cause
of the
Cold War and the major reason that Stalin and communism suddenly and
inexplicably became "bad" after years of the most favorable publicity
under Roosevelt.

This would then explain a pro-capitalist, pro-West Trotskyist revival
among
Jewish Marxists. I wonder if it's too far-fetched to call the Cold War
"Trotsky's revenge".

REPLY (Peter M):

Phil,

Those scientists I mentioned preferred Stalin to Hitler, but probably
had
preferred Trotsky (then dead, of course) to Stalin.

Their motive seems not to have been pro-American; for example, Ilya
Ehrenberg
wrote that Einstein lambasted the US for its treatment of blacks:
http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/einstein.html

Nor were they pro-Stalin, except in so far as he was the defeater of
Hitler.

So they belong to the Convergence camp.

Stalin refused Convergence, but Gorbachev was all for it.

Wilson�s 14 Points were also a Convergence program; it gave thoughtful
Germans
the idea of a different goal to fight for: World Unity. But after
surrendering
in 1918, the Germans found that they�d been betrayed, just as the
Russians
found after 1991.

Kennedy put a Convergence program to Khruschev too: disarmament down to
the
police level.

Yet Kennedy was later assassinated. Perhaps that is evidence of two
competing
internationalisms - the Rhodes-CFR-moderate Zionist one (which promoted
the
Peace Plan in the Middle East) and the expansionist Zionist one.

This can be seen as a struggle over whether the centre of power will be
Washington or Jerusalem.

Similarly, there was a struggle between saw Moscow and Jerusalem as
rival
centres of socialism; this is the context of the murder of Stalin:
http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/death-of-stalin.html

George Soros - representing the moderate faction - recently upset the
Jewish
Funders Network - the pro-Sharon faction - with his remarks that
Sharon�s
policies were the cause of increased �Anti-Semitism�:
http://www.jfunders.org/news/news.htm

(6) Major Jordan, Atomic Shipments to USSR, Baruch Plan & Convergence

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:14:48 -0800 From: Phil Eversoul
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Yes, I have it somewhere. [referring to George Racy
> Jordan's expose of Roosevelt's shipments of all the
> secrets and blueprints of the Manhattan Project to
> Stalin in 1943-44 via Siberia].

Good. A key book.

> I can't recall the details, e.g. whether it says Roosevelt knew about it, or
> to what extent Hopkins knew the details.

Hopkins was in charge of this mission. There is no reason to think he
did not
do it at Roosevelt's behest. But there is no explicit evidence of this,
because there was no way for Jordan to know about the intrigues in
Washington.

> Jordan�s allegations relate to the perid when World
> War II was still raging.
> Defeating Nazi Germany was seen as the top priority,
> and the USSR treated as a full ally, especially as it
> was doing most of the fighting.

True, but there was no way to tell the American people that our top
secret
atomic technology was going to be sent to the Soviet Union. What this
moves
also clearly says is that the USA and the USSR were going to merge their
political systems -- otherwise, you do not give away your most essential
and
powerful technology. This is what the Reece Commission found out a few
years
later (about 1954, I think) in its investigation of American
foundations, you
may recall. The goal of the top American foundations, like the Ford
Foundation, was to assist this merger of the Soviet and American
systems.

> There was no perception, at the time, that the Cold War would soon break out.

Yes, exactly. Stalin was "good." Suddenly he became "bad." That is what
I call
the mystery of the Cold War. However, your explanation of the Baruch
Plan's
rejection by Stalin goes a long way towards explaining the mystery.

> When it did, it was at the urging not only of the Far Right,

Whoa there. What you are calling the "Far Right" was simply the American
Right
that had always existed -- the people who were anti-United Nations,
anti-interventionist, anti- big government, and believers in America
First,
meaning simply enlightened national self-interest. Once the Republicans
of the
East Coast redefined themselves as internationalists and pro-United
Nations
after WWII, the original American Right was scorned (on the East Coast,
anyway) as "paleoconservative." From East Coast Republican
internationalist to
pro-Israel "neoconservative" was a small jump, assisted by such as
William
Buckley. The original American Right was left in the dust, to be
championed
later, although in a compromised way, by such as Barry Goldwater and
Ronald Reagan.

> who had opposed the USSR all along as the greatest danger,

Yes, but remember also that the Old Right (as I would prefer to call
them) had
lost national political power with the ascension of Roosevelt, and they
never
regained it in the post-war years. The East Coast "liberal and moderate"
Right
saw to that. The Old Right, therefore, never had the political power to
declare and launch the Cold War, although they certainly supported it.

This was part of the mystery of the Cold War: the Old Right, those who
truly
detested communism, never had the political power to make post-war
anti-communist policy. And in fact, the post-war American anti-communist
policy was quite insincere and fake, for under this policy, the
communist
world continued to make immense gains, especially in China as well as
Eastern
Europe. The communist conquest of China would have been impossible
without the
assistance of American (and British) policy, for it was based on the
abandoning of Chiang Kai-Shek. And the communist conquest of Eastern
Europe
meant the abandoning of Poland, for whose sake, supposedly, the West
declared
war on Germany. Later, there was the anti-communist Hungarian
revolution,
which the West betrayed.

I believe that the war in Viet Nam was also set up to be a failure for
the
West and a victory for the communists. As Roosevelt said, "If something
happens in politics, you can bet it was planned that way." The immense
failure
of the West in Viet Nam was too big not to be part of a deliberate plan,
and
this plan was consistent with the way the entire Cold War was handled:
the
West loses ground, the communists gain ground. Almost every time.
Therefore,
the West must merge with communism. Result: tyrannical world government.

Since communism had always received its primary funding, capital, and
technology from the West (as we saw with Sutton), there was no way for
communism to achieve all those Cold War victories without Western
betrayal.
That is what is the most sickening part of it, not the losses
themselves.

For the most part, the Cold War was a series of successes by the
communists
and failures by the West. This was no accident. It was planned that way
to try
to make the West accede to a "compromise" and eventual merger with
communism,
thereby achieving the World Government that was the holy grail.

> but also of the Neo-Cons of the time, who had been
> Trotskyists, such as James Burnham. I would also place
> Arthur Koestler in the Trotskyist camp, because he
> combined moderate Zionism with Communism. A number
> of such Marxist Anti-Communists joined the CIA at the
> forefront of the Cold War, as Frances Stonor Saunders
> shows in her book
> Who Paid the Piper? The CIA and the Cultural Cold War.

Yes. The driving forces of the Cold War, from the Western side, were the
anti-Stalinist forces, which were far more extensive than merely the Old
Right, which was out of power and on the decline. You might call it the
Marxist, socialist, liberal establishment neo-conservative "Right," as
contrasted with any pro-Stalinist forces. But again, this opposition to
Stalinism, as it expressed itself in America, was (except for the Old
Right)
insincere and wishy-washy.

It is a fact that Joseph McCarthy showed (and he has been vindicated by
the
Venona revelations) that there was a strong pro-Stalinist communist
underground in America. The Rosenberg spy case was evidence of this. The
pro-Stalinist espionage and propaganda movements in America were
protected by
the highest levels of the American East Coast Establishment, and this is
the
real reason McCarthy had to be demonized and destroyed, not because he
was on
a "witchhunt" or because he was some sort of fascist demagogue. It was
the
Eisenhower Administration, acting on behalf of the East Coast
Establishment,
that was determined to destroy McCarthy, for McCarthy was on the verge
of
showing that the super-rich Eastern capitalists -- the Lodges, the
Bundies,
the Rockefellers -- were in fact supporters of communism. That was
McCarthy's
true "sin." In American of the 1950s, such a revelation would have been
earth-shattering. In our day, with the disappearance of mainstream
American
opposition to communism and socialism such as was prevalent in the
1950s, and
the current acceptance of cultural Marxism, nobody bats an eye at
capitalist-communist cooperation, as in China. Times have changed.

My own take on this is that, whereas the American-Soviet cooperation had
to be
largely secret, in order not to offend American mainstream opinion, the
American-Chinese cooperation is openly admitted. Even the massacres at
Tien-Amin Square made hardly a dent. George Bush, Sr saw to that. Too
much
trade was at stake.

> If you consider the Baruch Plan of 1946, here you find
> many of those who helped the USSR get nuclear weapons
> supporting a plan to "internationalize" the bomb, i.e.
> place it in the hands of a "World Government" body.

Yes. That was indeed the plan, the way to establish the World
Government.
Nuclear fear. Surrender your freedom or risk nuclear war. Better red
than
dead, said Bertrand Russell. It was nuclear intimidation to make us
surrender
all our rights and freedoms. Again, the communists would have had no
nuclear
weapons at all, but for the West. That was the plan.

> Bertrand Russell even said that the West should
> threaten war if the USSR did not comply.

I didn't know that, but it makes sense, for that would have meant that
Stalin
was messing up the plan. Maybe we should all thank Stalin for preserving
our
freedom from tyrannical world government, at least for a while longer.

> It is arguable that the international body would have been under US control.

No, I don't think so, at least not more than 50-50. The communists were
given
huge enticements and powers to make them join. For example, in the
Korean War,
one of the communist functionaries at the UN knew all of the military
plans of
the United States, by the way the UN was designed --the Korean War was a
UN
operation -- and he relayed those plans to Stalin and Mao. MacArthur had
to be
pretty good to fight off the Chinese, the North Koreans, and the UN
back-stabbers. (And by the way, MacArthur didn't trust Eisenhower in
Korea,
thought he was a poor general, and sent him away). Ultimately, Truman
had to
fire MacArthur to prevent him from achieving victory, in defiance of
policy.
Defeats of communism were not part of the plan.

> Yet, many of those backing the proposal, in the
> "advertisement" that appeared in the Bulletin of
> the Scientists, were scientists who helped the USSR
> get the bomb.

Why, what a coincidence.

> The "advertisement" - March 1, 1946, back page - is
> about a book called "One World Or None". Authors include
> Bohr, Oppenheimer, Szilard, Einstein, & Walter Lippmann:

Yes, nuclear intimidation to make us "merge" with communism. Urged upon
us
from within. The betrayal of civilization is always from within. It's
not the
external enemy. It's the fact that our own supposed leaders are working
hand
in glove with the enemy. And we don't know it, because of media control.

REPLY (Peter M):

James Burnham wrote, in his book The Struggle For the World, published
in
1947, that the Third World War (the Cold War) began in April 1944, when
communist Greek sailors unsuccessfully mounted a minor mutiny. Another
incident was the struggle between Mao and Chiang Kai-Chek, which resumed
just
after the Red Army evicted the Kwantung Army from Manchuria in the space
of 2
weeks. A third was the Soviet Union�s settling up of a �little red army�
in Iran.

Burnham�s argument is that these three events happened while the USSR &
the
West were still allied in World War II. Since they fly in the face of
that
alliance, Burnham argues that they are part of the Cold War.

I think that he is back-dating things somewhat.

With regards to the Greek sailors, Burnham attributes their rebellion to
Comintern headquarters in the Soviet Union. This is drawing a long bow;
Stalin
& co. would have been too much absorbed by winning World War II, to
bother
stirring up rebellion in the West at that time.

As for Mao�s conflict with Chiang, China�s civil war had been going on
for
years; it was suspended during the Japanese occupation, but its
resumption was
not part of the Cold War. If it was, then the Cold War began much
earlier,
when China�s civil war began.

And the Iranian case is minor.

If Burnham had really believed, in April 1944, that the Third World War
had
broken out, he would have written his book then. Instead, it was written
&
published in 1947; which makes sense if we date the start of the Cold
War to 1946.

The Cold War can hardly be dated to before the Baruch Plan, since that
Plan
was for an alliance - a World Government - which would not make sense if
the
two were already enemies:
http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/baruch-plan.html

However, the publication of Bertrand Russell�s threatening article shows
that
the alliance must have been at the point of breaking:
http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/bas461001-p21.jpg

Ilya Ehrenburg wrote, �In 1946 the cold war was gaining ground fast ...
�
(Postwar Years 1945-1954, tr. TATIANA SIIEBUNINA in collaboration with
YVONNE
KAPP, LONDON, MACGIBBON & KEE, 1966, p. 60.)

Pavel Sudoplatov wrote in Special Tasks : The Memoirs Of An Unwanted
Witness -
A Soviet Spymaster (Little, Brown and Company, London, 1995 paperback
edition):

{p. 172} The most vital information for developing the first Soviet
atomic
bomb came from scientists engaged in the Manhattan Project to build the
American atomic bomb - Robert Oppenheimer, Enrico Fermi, and Leo
Szilard.

{p. 207} Bohr had sent official confirmation to the Soviet Embassy that
he
would meet with a delegation and now he realized that the delegation
contained
both a scientist and an intelligence officer.

... Bohr readily explained to Terletsky the problems Fermi had at the
University of Chicago putting the first nuclear reactor into operation,
and he
made valuable suggestions that enabled us to overcome our failures. Bohr
pointed to a place on a drawing Terletsky showed him and said, "That's
the
trouble spot." This meeting was essential to starting the Soviet
reactor, and
we accomplished that feat in December 1946. (See Appendix Seven.)

... After our reactor was put into operation in 1946, Beria issued
orders to
stop all contacts with our American sources in the Manhattan Project;
the FBI
was getting close to uncovering some of our agents. Beria said we should
think
how to use Oppenheimer, Fermi, Szi-

{p. 208} lard, and others around them in the peace campaign against
nuclear
armament. Disarmament and the inability to impose nuclear blackmail
would
deprive the United States of its advantage. We began a worldwide
political
campaign against nuclear superiority, which kept up until we exploded
our own
nuclear bomb, in 1949.

{p. 221} The conventional wisdom is that the Cold War started with
Winston
Churchill's "iron curtain" speech in Fulton, Missouri, on March 6, 1946,
but
for us, confrontation with the Western allies had begun when the Red
Army
liberated Eastern Europe. The conflict of interest was evident. The
principle
agreed upon with Roosevelt at Yalta, providing for multiparty elections,
was
acceptable to us only for the transition period after the defeat of
Germany,
while the fate of Eastern Europe was in the balance.

{endquote} http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/sudoplat.html

Bohr was one of the scientists promoting the Baruch Plan.

In their book One World Or None (1946), about half the authors are
Jewish:
Bohr, Oppenheimer, Szilard, Einstein, and Walter Lippmann.

Lippmann�s was the biggest article. Of him, Carroll Quigley wrote in
Tragedy
and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time (Macmillan, New York,
1966):

{p. 939} This new recruit, Walter Lippmann, has been, from 1914 to the
present, the authentic spokesman in American journalism for the
Establishments
on both sides of the Atlantic in international affairs. His biweekly
columns,
which appear in hundreds of American papers, are copyrighted by the New
York
Herald Tribune which is now owned by J. H. Whitney. It was these
connections,
as a link between Wall Street and the Round Table Group, which gave
Lippmann
the opportunity in 1918, while still in his twenties, to be the official
interpreter of
the meaning of Woodrow Wilson's Fourteen Points to the British
government.�
{endquote}

James Burnham broke with Trotsky in 1939/40 and became a leading
Anti-Communist. Trotsky�s book In Defence of Marxism is a refutation of
Burnham and the other rebels in his Fourth International; published in
1942,
it must be about the last book Trotsky wrote. I have a copy.

In 1941, Burnham wrote The Managerial Revolution. Someone recently asked
how
to obtain this book. I have a copy, plus a spare photocopy I don�t need.
However, copies should be available at
http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abe/BookSearch?an=james+burnham&tn=managerial+revolution



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