What I just sent you needed to be checked for spelling (my own name at
that!). So here it is again.
Bye
====================
Hey there--
Please post this in response to what some of your listmembers are
posting.
The main points to respond to:
Kennedy's radio contact with the Vineyard Airport is without any doubts
verified 1,000,000%; as shown by the current brouhaha over the FAA's
incredible refusal for 6-7 hours to initiate search procedures for the
craft, after having been notified repeatedly by Vineyard airport
personnel of the flight's inexplicable delay, beginning sometime after
10 PM.
Unless UPI has time travel technology, I fail to see how their account
DATELINED JULY 17 of JFK JR. calling the tower, which it's noted was
also reported on Boston TV AND ABC News, could be after-the-fact
disinformation Anyway that point is now moot. He made the contact.
The crucial thing about this contact is that the TIME it was made PROVES
that JFK Jr. was experiencing NO DIFFICULTIES WHATSOEVER minutes AFTER
the time when SUBSEQUENT spin-doctored yarns say "newly discovered"
(LOVE that) radar evidence shows his flight had ALREADY begun giving
indications of problems and was in fact in a serious descent ALREADY.
His radio contact utterly invalidates this disinformational noise once
and for all. Case closed. The flight was going just fine when the radio
contact was made. This call ALSO shows that his position at the time of
the radio contact was THREE MILES FURTHER EAST than the location where
the wreckage was pulled from the water. As he was going east, how did
the wreckage end up three miles west of the location of his radio
contact? Strange...
The other point I will address is that of witnesses to an AIRBORNE
explosive event west-southwest of Philbin Beach. THREE verified
witnesses to this explosion are now known to exist, not one--and there
is also the person referred to by FOX-TV's Shepherd Smith. And as for
the witness cited by your listmember; he IS identified if not named, as
a Vineyard Gazette reporter.
Apparently the information being presented to the list members is not
quite up to date, according to our latest articles, releases and
updates. Below this response I'm including these releases and updates
from NewsHawk which will probably better answer people's questions.
Best Wishes
John Quinn
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7.24.99
Recipients--
Please note MAJOR questions re: Kennedy crash autopsies raised by the
Boston Globe article quoted verbatim within the following email received
by NewsHawk. The sender includes well-reasoned analysis of these quotes.
BELOW this, is a forward of another email received by NewsHawk which
zeros in a some highly pertinent factors regarding the missing flight
trainer/co-pilot, first reported to have been on the flight and later
said to be "in Europe". As IF, in a case like THIS--involving the
untimely, not to say suspicious (as it now definitely is) death of a
person who probably rivaled Princess Diana in terms of global
popularity--this flight trainer is NOT going to have SOMETHING public to
say, no matter WHERE ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH HE IS?
THAT is DEFINITELY completely UNBELIEVABLE.
If this person, Kennedy's personal flight trainer, HAD BEEN on board,
then obviously he would have died too. Is it possible this person had no
relatives and so few friends, acquaintances and such that literally no
one on earth would notice their passing? This seems impossible.
Why then hasn't this person spoken up, if in fact they are still alive?
Or perhaps they are NOT -- whether due to the plane crash or some other,
later convenient accident. As their statements would be powerfully
important in this case, I wouldn't be TOO surprised if we never hear
anything about this person again for the rest of time.
John Quinn
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Subject: BOSTON GLOBE: JFK Autopsy Rushed
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:37:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: John DiNardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: John DiNardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Again, reading from the Boston Globe (www.boston.com), July 23rd:
BOSTON GLOBE: JFK Autopsy Rushed
"Still, the autopsies in the Kennedy case were performed especially
quickly," pathologists said.
.....
"The haste [of the autopsies] in this case," he said, "could lead to
questions about the investigation's thoroughness."
"Pathologists also follow *COMPLEX RULES* for testing a pilot for drug
and alcohol use," Dix said.
[JD: They are supposed to follow "complex rules" in testing for
drug or alcohol use, but they EVIDENTLY violated those rules,
indeed, failed to follow them at all! Alcohol and/or drugs are
a MAJOR causative suspect in airplane crashes. Remember
Ricky Nelson's death in an airplane crash one New Year's Eve?
Can someone find out if the coroner examined for substance
abuse in that case?]
.....
"The timing [brief time] of the Kennedy investigation [autopsy],
Kirschner said, makes it unlikely that pathologists performed autopsies
on Carolyn Bessette Kennedy or Lauren Bessette. You can't possibly do
three investigations in four hours, he said."
[JD: Well, of course the women's condition would have no effect on
the control of the aircraft. But what if there were powder burns
on their bodies, suggesting an explosion or a fire onboard?
What if a lone nut gunmen had stowed away aboard the plane?
After all, you must admit that lone nut gunmen have made
a tradition of invading the lives of Kennedy's. Haven't they?
What if the gunman was willing to sacrifice his own life? I'm not
saying that I believe any of these scenarios. What I AM saying is
that the coroner is SUPPOSED to examine the bodies for the
POSSIBILITY of these scenarios having occurred. THAT IS HIS JOB!]
"Passenger autopsies are also useful, Kirschner said, if a victim's
family sues for damages related to the crash. A medical examiner
could determine whether the victim suffered in the moments before
death, or survived in the minutes or hours after the crash."
[JD: Yet, despite the established practice of examining the bodies
of passengers, and carefully examining the body of the pilot,
in order to determine if the pilot was drinking or on drugs,
thus permitting the victims to sue in case of pilot misconduct ...
despite these rules, the women's bodies were not even autopsied!
Unbelieveable! Actually, I think it is quite believable, judging
from the first JFK autopsy at Bethesda Naval Hospital, which was
judged by the nation's best assassination researchers to be an
outrageously appalling fraud -- a continuation of the assassination
cover-up. That is exactly what this second JFK autopsy is showing
iself to be, also.]
John DiNardo
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Subject: 4th Person-JFK Flight
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:29:36 -0400
From: "Ronald T. Hannivig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> If this person, Kennedy's personal flight trainer, HAD BEEN on
board,then obviously they died too. Is it possible this person had no
relatives and so few friends, acquaintances and such that literally no
one on earth would notice their passing? This seems impossible. <<<
This simple, logical ... and concise question seems to fall into the
general category of those missing 10 body-count victims at Columbine
High School, and the total lack of any indication of a vehicle bomb
being exploded across from the Federal Building in OKC. Let's include
in this instance those who were nested on the Grassy Knoll.
In this given instance - the obviously missing individual might have
been a loner ... and therefore, nobody "out there" really pressing the
issue. However, given his sheer importance to this case - should he
still be alive, he would have been the most sought after individual by
all of the major news networks' star reporters.
One must seriously doubt there were only the three aboard this aircraft
as this fourth individual was continually being cited in all of the
initially aired reports. What obviously happens with these sort of
breaking stories is that the press and media personnel simply do their
their jobs in a professional manner - unrestricted by the pressure and
critical supervision of those who "pull their strings".
Remember, this story began to break early on a Saturday morning - when
these supervisors were likely at home having breakfast and planning
their weekend.
However, given the intervening hours - from the time Kennedy radioed his
position and intent to the tower on Martha's Vineyard and never arrived
(approx. at 10:00 pm, Friday) ... to, let's say 7:00 am on Saturday
(which is 9 full hours) when the press and media got wind of the story,
left enough time for those in control to draft out a viable story if
they had diligently worked on it overnight.
What then could have happened - was that the underlings working the
weekend shift took their jobs serious and acted responsibly ... by
conducting their own research into the matter of JFK Jr's missing
aircraft and in the process determining there was this cited fourth
individual on board.
Should this have been the case - this fourth individual ... who was a
fully qualified and experienced pilot, had to be completely eliminated
from the picture - else their agreed upon story-line (of Kennedy's
questionable qualifications to fly this aircraft) would have been
totally jeopardized once they had committed themselves to it.
This missing guy must hold the current focus of the investigation - he
obviously had existed at one time ... and from a report coming out of
Ontario, he had accompanied Kennedy of a recent business flight to
Toronto. Assuming they would have flown into Toronto International (a
novice pilot might have shied away from flying into a busy airport ...
but not with a instructor sitting in the copilot's seat - and anyway,
Kennedy was still in a learning curve and would, therefore, have wanted
an instructor aboard) and going with this assumption they both flew to
Toronto, the Canadian immigration as well as the airport authorities
would likely have some record of the brief visit on file in their
computerized records.
In closing: This cited individual is currently amongst us living ... or
is dead - and as such, his whereabouts cannot remain in limbo. If
alive, he would be a key witness.
Ron Hannivig, Research - Investigative
Journalist at-Large (unaccredited)
Simpson, Pennsylvania - 18407
==============================
7.24.99
Recipients--
The following forward of an email received by NewsHawk brings up yet
ANOTHER suspicious, questionable and contradictory aspect of the JFK
Jr. plane crash (Let's see... HOW many is that now???). Namely: WHY
have we not seen A SHRED of the wreckage from JFK Jr.'s plane?
WHY is it SO important that reporters, photographs and TV news crews
must not see, witness, film or photograph the merest speck of this
"wreckage?" WHAT in God's name could POSSIBLY be so unusual about this
material that it's SO CRITICAL the press--and thereby the public--do not
see ANY OF IT AT ALL?
In regard to this, please read this forwarded email below.
AND, as to Kennedy's "SUPPOSED" "risk-taking" gene.... Gee, could that
POSSIBLY actually mean that he might have been what they USED to call a
born "LEADER"??? You know, the kind which could represent a MORTAL
THREAT to the "fascist-communist" totalitarian vermin so dominant in the
varying New World Order factions now savaging the human race and the
planet on which we all live.
Cause for thought.
John Quinn/NewsHawk Inc.
---------- Original Message --------
Subject: VIDEO OF WRECKAGE - COVERED WITH BLUE TARP
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 00:33:29 -0700
From: xxx
Reply-To: xxx
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
John,
I just saw a video clip on local station KCPQ-TV13 - a FOX Network
outlet here in the Seattle area - they briefly showed a crane lifting a
large piece of wreckage (unidentifiable) onto the Grasp (sp?) -- then --
and this is the hot part -- video footage of a white cab truck with
flatbed and rails, like a farmers truck, after dark with two individuals
in the cab purportedly transporting the wreckage of the airplane -- it
was all covered and roped down with a large blue tarp so no one could
see any part of it -- WHY THE SECRECY??? What is it about this wreckage
of an airplane they don't want the public to see??? Could it be the
tell-tale signs of a sudden catastrophic incident, like an on board
explosion or a missile shootdown, the evidence of which would be clearly
visible if the wreckage were uncovered??? And, where were they taking
the wreckage???
"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance does whatever is dictated to it."
--Thomas Paine, Rights of Man ("Conclusion")
"All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void."
--Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. (2 Cranch) 137 (1803)
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Recipients--
Following are two verbatim excerpts from a news item on Yahoo! News,
Thursday, July 22. Considering how the truth is being so harshly mangled
now by disinfo masters Robert Pearse of the NTSB, Clinton and others, I
imagine the "true" cause of the airplane's DESTRUCTION will be eluding
any genuine investigators for a long time to come.
John Quinn
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Yahoo! News
Crimes and Trials Headlines
Thursday July 22 05:26 PM EDT
Cause of Kennedy crash still eludes investigators
By Kristin Savarese, Court TV
NEW YORK (Court TV) �
...What happened that night is unclear. According to Robert Pearce, who
is heading the investigation for the National Transportation Safety
Board, the trouble began 34 miles from the airport, with the plane
descending from 5,600 feet to about 2,300 feet at a slightly
faster-than-normal rate of 700 feet per minute.
About 20 miles from the airport, the plane started turning to the right
and climbing back to 2,600 feet. After leveling off, it flew for a short
time before beginning another turn to the right and starting "a rapid
rate of descent" that may have exceeded 5,000 feet per minute, or about
10 times faster than normal....
END
All of the "information" in the above two paragraphs, proffered by none
other than the NTSB's Pearse, of Flight 800 coverup disgrace and infamy,
is provably and demonstrably nothing other than professional and
"official" disinformation, noise and static; because AGAIN, ALL these
statements are completely INVALIDATED by the fact that Kennedy radioed
the Vineyard airport flight controller at NINE THIRY-NINE in a TOTALLY
calm, collected, and spatially VERY WELL ORIENTED state of mind;
thoroughly aware of his bearings, location, direction and such and in
complete command of the aircraft. This was long after whatever Pearse
is babbling about supposedly even occurred--when Kennedy's craft was
approximately TEN MILES from the shoreline and approximately thirteen
miles from the airport.
In LIGHT of this radio contact--to assume that Kennedy would be so
completely out of touch with reality as to be unaware of his ALTITUDE
and some supposed constant decrease thereof over a fairly long period of
time is truly LUDICROUS!
Determining one's altitude is accomplished by looking at one's
altimeter. This relatively simple action (even I could do it!), of
course, would NOT affected by any TOTALLY SPECULATIVE supposed spatial
disorientation Kennedy could supposedly have been experiencing. If his
altimeter wasn't working naturally this serious problem would have been
noted in the his radio call
And now another excerpt from the same article, regarding the flight
controller and the FAA's incredible, inexplicable delay in initiating
emergency search procedures.
John Quinn
...US aviation authorities have come under fire for the delay in
starting a search. The Piper Saratoga II vanished from radar at 9:40
p.m., but an official search did not begin until 3:28 a.m. when a
Kennedy friend put in a frantic call to the Coast Guard that triggered
the "search and rescue."
Four hours before that call, however, 21-year-old Adam Budd, an intern
at Martha's Vineyard airport, had called the airport tower and then the
Federal Aviation Administration's air traffic control facility in
Bridgeport, Conn., inquiring about the plane for people waiting to meet
the overdue trio. An unidentified official shrugged off the inquiry,
telling Budd information could not be released over the phone.
The FAA will not provide flight information about private citizens over
the telephone, a spokesman said, and the Connecticut station acted
appropriately, the Los Angeles Times reported. (Like the LA Times is the
official authority or something? Yeah RIGHT! [JQ])
But an unidentified FAA source, cited in Thursday's Boston Globe, said
the agency was considering disciplinary action against the FAA employee
for not coming forward about the call when it became clear the plane was missing.
END
The indication in the beginning of the second paragraph of this excerpt,
that the first call to the FAA was not made until well after ELEVEN PM,
is yet another history rewrite: as previous reports indicated the first
call by Adam Budd was made at least an hour before this, shortly after
TEN PM.
As for the rest of this second excerpt, it is obviously at least
relatively true and really speaks for itself. Something very rotten in
the state.
John Quinn/NewsHawk Inc.
==============================
7.23.99
More Unanswered Questions About JFK Jr. Plane Crash
What ever happened to the fourth person originally said to have been on
board JFK Jr.'s ill-fated flight?
If this person, Kennedy's personal flight trainer, HAD BEEN on board,
then obviously they died too. Is it possible this person had no
relatives and so few friends, acquaintances and such that literally no
one on earth would notice their passing? This seems impossible.
If this person was NOT on board the plane, then WHY HAVEN'T WE HEARD ONE
WORD FROM THEM?!?!?!
John Quinn/NewsHawk
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Anything More on the 4th Person?
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 21:37:46 -0700
From: XXX
Reply-To: XXX
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/ts/story.html?s=v/nm/19990717/ts/kennedy_leadall_9.html
Saturday July 17 1:06 PM ET
Plane Carrying John Kennedy Jr. Is Missing
By Ellen Wulfhorst
<snip>
Reports conflicted over whether a fourth person, a flight
instructor, was on board.
<snip>
The Coast Guard in Wood's Hole said except for some low
clouds and a bit of haze, there was nothing unusual about the
weather Friday night between New York and Massachusetts.
<snip>
==============================
7.23.99
How quickly we forget that ONLY 48 HOURS AGO THIS was the top story on
CNN�s website:
<<Answers Sought From Kennedy,
Bessette Autopsies>>
Well, then... Funny, isn't it, how WE DIDN�T GET ANY SUCH "ANSWERS"!!!!
Any guesses why NOT?
And DON'T give me some limp baloney about the "horrible the condition of
the bodies" and all. DUH!
John Quinn/NewsHawk Inc.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Answers Sought From Kennedy,
Bessette Autopsies
(CNN July 21, 1999 Web posted at: 11:52 p.m. EDT)
>From Correspondent Dr. Steve Salvatore
CNN -- As soon as the bodies of John F. Kennedy Jr., his wife and her
sister were recovered from the waters off of Martha's Vineyard,
Massachusetts, and brought to shore Wednesday, they were placed in white
medical examiner trucks and taken to the Medical Examiner's Office in Pocasset.
Massachusetts law requires that autopsies be conducted on accident
victims, a process that usually takes 12 to 24 hours.
Doctors will determine the cause of death for John and Carolyn Kennedy
and her sister, Lauren Bessette. That discovery might shed light on what
went wrong when the plane piloted by Kennedy plunged into the ocean
Friday night.
"I think it is important, because young people die of disease just like
old people, and it can be very sudden," said Dr. Alan Schiller of Mt.
Sinai Hospital. "They can have cerebral problems like an aneurysm or
hemorrhaging from the brain. They can have cardiac problems that
predispose them to sudden death"
Doctors look at every possible contributing factor, like infections,
noxious fumes and toxins which could contribute to disorientation.
"We can also examine extraneous causes, such as alcohol levels,
toxicology for drugs and a whole host of other things," Schiller said.
The medical examiner's office will also review old medical records,
X-rays and laboratory reports to search for pre-existing medical
conditions that might have contributed to the accident.
Because the plane crash was an unwitnessed transportation accident, an
autopsy is usually mandatory. But experts say autopsies do more than
just fulfill medical legal requirements.
Autopsies bring closure, Schiller said, and provide lessons that can
prevent similar tragedies in the future.
