From: james viken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Brian, if you read my post accurately you would see that I grouped ufo's
and gov't experiments together. I never stated ufo are
extra-terrestrial. I called them ufo's because that is often what those
harassed by mibs called their visualizations. I suspect they are
related to cia/dia mind kontrol experiments. Now, Brian, there is no
need to be insultive to me.
You have no idea who I am or what I have experienced. My Ph.D. is in
sociolgy from univ. of minnesota 1978, with extensive research in
deviant behavior which included studies in criminology and the juvenile
criminal justice system. My major area was social psychology and minor
marriage & family therapy. I hold licenses in psychology & marriage and
family therapy in state of minnesota. I have had a private practice for
over 25 years. For your info. over the years I had numerous connected
clients in "shadowy organisations" who told me stories I simply did not
believe until after I experienced some "layered harrassment" myself for
turning in a complain on an aberrant *b* agent who was doing a lot of
liquidations. Such individuals came to me for m & f therapy under
pseudonyms. Tho required to get help from their own agencies these
individuals felt that such would be used against them to deny them
promotions and as an excuse to give them lousy assignments. I was at
one death bed type confession of a high level shadowy figure. I was
also given certain information about very high level gov't drug dealing
and murders which I reported and was then seriously harassed. Then I
started checking out earlier stories I was told and found out later they
were most likely true. One well connected figure told me that 10-20% of
everything his team was told for any operation was blatantly false
(poison pen type stuff), with each person told a different "lie
fragment" attached to the storyline, so that any leaks could be traced
back to the team and even the individual source, including the higher
ups on whose watch they occured on. These lies could then allow
discrediting if the op ever turned and thereby help in eliminating any
useful testimony. This op told me he/she was not supposed to know about
this internal security system of distributed lie fragments for tracking
and discrediting.
You asked, so this is my reply. If you look at the credits on many
ground zero corruption videos you will see my name as a key
contributor. I was the first in mn to expose the finders, comm 12
briefing, wilcher brief (original, unaltered form), franklin coverup,
cia vs. wplg(abc-tv affiliate) lawsuit in miami, and more for example.
I don't whistle blow anymore because I got tired of being harassed and
most folks just don't care and don't want to hear it--the existing
authorities are either afraid to get involved out of fears of being
discredited or losing their career track. In addition some of the stuff
I was told, even if 80% true is just too much for folk to believe. I
hope that what I am referring here to is not true. Suffice it to say
that the shadow gov't may have some very "black" things planned for us
commoners in the next 2-5 years, far beyond what I can process. JP
Viken, Ph.D. 10-19-99
Brian Downing Quig wrote:
> JP Viken, Ph.D.
>
> What the government is covering up about UFOs is that there is nothing
> to cover up.
>
> I know how and why and by whom this crap is pumped into the public
> discourse. Do you consider it a wonder that the three top UFologists
> have a military intelligence background? If only the public could be
> made to believe that this is what the government is covering up.
>
> I do not know what your Ph.D. is in but I suggest you learn some
> science and start living in the real world.
>
>
> Brian Quig
>
> james viken wrote:
>
>> Kelly AFB used to be "MIB" central (not any more, however). They
>> used to search for soldiers or other federal operatives with a
>> "cro-magnon" head appearance, induct them under "national security"
>> train them to do misinformation ops,dress them up weird, put them in
>> absurd cars and send them out to threaten, freighten and "freak-out"
>> witnesses of UFOs and their high tech experiments. Anyone reporting
>> these weird visits to the cops
>> (if they dared) would be so discredited by the content that nothing
>> would be investigated. The program was apparently discontinued in
>> the med '80s, but federal agencies in general learned to use these
>> methods in their layered harrassment and surveillance methods
>> (especially popular now with the fbi, cia, dia, batf, adl, wakemout
>> and other private contract agencies such as kr*ll and associates).
>> Thus "crazymaking" is now the cover of choice for national security
>> surveillance and "counterinsurgency/harrassmentops--cointelpro style
>> (the name is changed, the ops the same). When a "whistle-blower"
>> turns gov't agencies or ops in for drug-dealing, or other crimes
>> such as "bust-outs" or money-laundering, crazymaking is almost
>> always used in layered responses, with increased intensity. First
>> hand witnesses are considered the greatest risk if they are credible
>> and if the initial harassment is not effective, then serious threats
>> are made, later followed by liquidations (improbable suicides or
>> accidents!) of self and/or family members if deemed a necessary
>> "casualty of war". All this is classified as "low intensity
>> warfare" or the "third option"!
>> JP Viken, Ph.D., Minneapolis
>>
>> Dave wrote:
>>
>> > Kelly AFB ... Isn't that the Headquarters, Air Intelligence
>> > Agency? http://www.seasurf.com/~radioman/album.html U.S. Air Force
>> > Intelligence : sgb03014.kelly.af.mil ( 137.242.30.14 ) While
>> > www.kelly.af.mil was 'restricted' by excluding certain DNS users,
>> > it's kellyweb01
>> > server is ALSO offline ... to those wanting to see the aerial photo
>> > of the Air Force base,
>> > it's 'gone' too ...
>> > Try http://www.kelly.af.mil/and see if you get:
>> >
>> > HTTP Error 403
>> >
>> > 403.6 Forbidden: IP address rejected
>> >
>> > This error is caused when the server has a list of IP addresses
>> > that are not allowed to access the site, and the IP address you are
>> > using is in this list.
>> >
>> > Please contact the Web server's administrator if the problem
>> > persists.
>> >
>> > Dave Hartley
>> > http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
>> > http://www.ioa.com/~davehart
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Brian Downing Quig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> > Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 1:20 AM
>> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Subject: [CIA-DRUGS] DCA87AA002
>> > Here is a plane crash very similar in many respects to
>> > the Gander, Newfoundland ARROW AIR crash. This took
>> > place 11 months after Gander. Within hours of this crash
>> > SOUTHERN AIR TRANSPORT had a second fatal air crash in
>> > Nicaragua where Eugene Hausenfus survived but Barry
>> > Seal's two top men die. Did the three who died in Texas
>> > also know too much about the Mena, Arkansas drug
>> > operation? Seal was gunned down gangland style 3 months
>> > before when the witness protection program set up by none
>> > other than George Bush himself conspicuously failed to
>> > provide protection.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > NTSB Identification: DCA87AA002 For details, refer to
>> > NTSB microfiche number 31513A
>> > Nonscheduled 14 CFR 121 operation of SOUTHERN AIR
>> > TRANSPORT
>> > Accident occurred OCT-04-86 at KELLY AFB, TX
>> > Aircraft: LOCKHEED 382G, registration: N15ST
>> > Injuries: 3 Fatal.
>> >
>> > AFTER THE ACFT LANDED AT KELLY AFB, TX, ON 10/2/86, THERE
>> > WAS A CREW CHG BFR IT DEPD ON THE NEXT FLT. DRG THE NEXT
>> > TAKE- OFF, THE ACFT LIFTED OFF NEAR THE MIDPOINT OF RWY
>> > 15 (APRX 5775' FM THE APCH END). WHEN IT WAS AT APRX 100'
>> > TO 200' AGL, WITNESSES SAW IT GO INTO AN EXTREMELY NOSE
>> > HI ATTITUDE & CLIMB ABOUT ANOTHER 500'. ALSO, THE ACFT
>> > ROLLED TO THE LEFT & CONTD ROLLING & TURNING LEFT UNTIL
>> > IT CRASHED ON THE RAMP IN A NEAR INVERTED ATTITUDE ON A
>> > HDG OF ABOUT 070 DEG. THERE WAS EVIDENCE THAT AN ELEVATOR
>> > CONTROL (CTL) BLOCK HAD JAMMED THE 1ST OFFICER'S (FO'S)
>> > CTL COLUMN WHEN THE ACFT TOOK OFF. THE FO OF THE PREVIOUS
>> > FLT HAD INSTALLED IT ON THE CTL COLUMN AFTER THAT FLT.
>> > THE FO OF THE ACDNT FLT HAD BEEN HIRED 6 DAYS EARLIER &
>> > MAY NOT HAVE BEEN FAMILIAR WITH THE DEVICE. THE BLOCK WAS
>> > DESIGNED TO KEEP THE ELEVATOR IN A FAIRED OR SLIGHTLY
>> > RAISED (TRAILING EDGE UP) POSITION FOR LOADING OPNS, BUT
>> > IT WAS NOT AN APPROVED DEVICE. THERE WAS AN UNWRITTEN
>> > PRACTICE FOR THE FO TO INSTALL & REMOVE THE DEVICE.
>> >
>> > Probable Cause
>> >
>> > Procedure inadequate..Company/operator management
>> > Aircraft preflight..Inadequate..Pilot in command
>> > Aircraft preflight..Inadequate..Copilot/second pilot
>> > Flt control syst,elevator control..Jammed
>> >
>> > Contributing Factors
>> >
>> > Misc eqpt/furnishings..Improper
>> >
>> > Index for Oct 1986 | Index of Months
>> >
>>
>
>
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