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Phoenicians in ancient New Zealand & New world?
Author: Con-Tiki
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 1998/08/04
Forums: sci.anthropology, sci.archaeology,
alt.history.ancient-worlds
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I would like to spark a debate about this -
There is very little discussion about Egyptian & Phoenician long
range exploration. That there is little evidence is a main factor,
but there are some very notable bits. I will only cover pieces
#1 & #2 #4 #5 in this posting, #3 will come later.
Please read the whole posting carefully before replying (thanks).
Tit bits:
#1 - Hill by Lake Taupo (pro. "T-ow-po"), N. Island, New Zealand,
with carvings.
Many dismissed these before they had even seen them!
What is amazing is that they are there at all:
they include:
Phoenician inscription (!?!) saying "Voice of one Ba'al"
(Phoenician sun & weather god).
Large (looks like an altar of some type) notch in a rock.
Carved picture of an eye.
Carved picture of what seems to be a Phoenician ship.
#2 - Stone works in the forests of the Northland peninsular of the
North Island of New Zealand
they include:
Several (100% man made) stone walls.
A large amount of stones piled in one place (temple?)
Carved out tunnel (temple?)
#3 - Traces of Cocaine & Nicotine in many Egyptian Mummies
#4 - Statures of 'white men with beards' & a strong native
S. American belief in these peoples existence.
covered later
Can be found in Messomerica and Peru
#5 - Evidence of a pre European civ' in Australia?
And whats so amazing about this ?
Under the current dogma, no human set foot in New Zealand before
about 1200 AD and no European before 1769. This theory is
aggressively defended by the historic community & the government
(I am NOT claiming any government 'cover up'). There are good
reasons for this defense. As in the rest of the world, any
historian who challenges conventional ideas is made an object of
ridicule and painted as a nut case. If anything was proved, some
people would be ultra embarrassed. The government has good reason
too. - They would be afraid of Maori radical terristic responses to
anything being proved, like that there were people here before
them. Another thing few remember is that the Treaty of Waitangi
(effective NZ constitution) was signed saying that the Maoris were
the indigenous people of New Zealand... would cause a few hiccups.
The media seems to keep quiet about this arena.
Its easy to see from their history that, if any Phoenicians had
come here, they would have arrived before 500 bc . Over 1500 years
before Maoris are supposed to have came to NZ (I think that they
arrived here at 850 AD).
Some would say "where is more evidence about a Phoenician presence
in New Zealand".
In 183 AD Taupo erupted. No one today can comprehend the size of
the eruption. Taupo is certainly the biggest volcano on Earth, the
Taupo eruption was the biggest for 5,000 years.. If the Phoenicians
had had a colony in the N. Island, they would have had better
chance surviving a 300 megaton Nuclear bomb. Not only that, but a
vast amount of ash, larva and water covered & buried the N. Island.
Anyone in the N. Island would have either disappeared without a
trace or any survivors would have taken the only option - flee to
the South Island or to the end of the long Northland peninsular.
A rebel historian has claimed that his group have found a stone
village in Northland forests (the Maoris never used stone for
dwellings). (I have seen pictures of stone works up there, but not
those things)
Its been proved that people were in NZ from at least 500bc onwards.
This evidence has been largely ignored. A total of over 10 rats
have found that were between 1800 and 2300 years old. The work is
very sound, but the person doing the research has gone from world
authority to 'nut case' because of the implications of their work.
Mammals are not native to New Zealand and they could only have come
in someones boat. Conventionalists have claimed that those rats
came here by floating on pumice from over 8,100 km away (6,000
miles). This type of rat can't stand water & can't even swim.
Notably, S. Island forests were burned off en mass 2500 years ago.
No significant burning occurred for many 1000s of years before
that. If people had come there, they would have had no choice but
to have cleared forest to grow crops.
There are also notable archeological finds in Australia (maybe not
Phoenician). In pre - European times, someone built dams, irrigated
cleared, planted & built permanent stone houses. My argument is
that if the Australia Aborigines had ever started the non nomadic,
farming path of living - why would they have stopped? (I am Not
trying to insult the Aborigine race). If they didn't do this, then
who did? (see MS Encarta 97, Australia section, says the basics).
I would like to hear discussion over this, as there is very little
known by the masses (& me) about this subject.
We would all like to know how ancient (1,100 bc) Egyptians got hold
of drugs like Nicotine & Cocaine. Both are from America. Its has
been proven beyond doubt, that over 10 Ancient Egyptian Mummies had
once taken Cocaine. The Nicotine seems to have been used in the
Mummification process, as the amount present is vast. What seems to
be a Tobacco leaf was found on one Mummy. It is possible that the
Nicotine present came from some undiscovered / exstinked old world
plant. But the Cocaine is different. Cocaine only comes from Coca,
a native American plant. The only reasonable explanation is that
someone took Coca or Cocaine from A to B. Was there trans-Atlantic
trading links?!? See:
http://lime.weeg.uiowa.edu/~anthro/webcourse/lost/coctrans.htm ,
where the Uk's TV4 has the script for a documentary about this
online. (Conventionalists, please don't try and say the Coca
floated there!)
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I would like everyone out there to think over what I've said....
Can anyone add anything?
If anyone has any information about ancient Phoenician landings in
America, I would be pleased to hear them. One message had mention
of proof that this was so, but did not say what he evidence was.
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Note - if your name is Ross C. from Auckland - Please, only
constructive replies, I've seen your lively debates with Yuri.
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Re: Phoenicians & New world? Why the cover-up? <- No cover-up,
no phoenicans!
Author: wlorac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 1998/08/07
Forums: sci.anthropology, sci.archaeology,
alt.history.ancient-worlds, sci.anthropology
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Tena Koutou Katoa,
There has been no 'cover-up' and the people they dug up were not
Phoenicans.
The bones and artifacts uncovered were viking helmuts and
implements. And if the european dig a little further they will
find the bones of a european race of giants.
Maori have NEVER, NEVER, EVER covered up the fact that there were
giant europeans in New Zealand before them. Europeans have put our
legends down to the childish imaginings of a pre-historic race.
Given time, our people WILL BE vindicated.
New Zealand has many, many places which the european have not
discovered, simply because they like to 'talk about' other people,
rather than 'listen' to what those people have to say!
As for trying to uncover the mystery - if you will frequent
libraries with newspapers from the 1970's and newspapers from
earlier this year, you will see that there has not really been a
cover-up. The media has merely distracted everyone's attention to
whatever new sensation is happening.
Na Carol Whyte
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/7572/
> P J Cobb wrote:
>
> I would like to know "why" the findings of the Archaeological
> dig in N/Zs Waipu forest was placed under wraps by a member of
> the N/Z Parliament using the "Official Secrets Act" (New Zealand
> Addition :-) Are there human or monkey bones there or Pyramids,
> could it be an early landing site for for little people ?
> or Phoenicians or a early "Area 51 site" pre ice war of coarse :-)
>
> Why try to hide the truth + isn't this how lies start or are we
> all sheep at heart. (Wasn't there a Nazi who said Tell a lie
> 20 times and it automatically becomes the truth) They do a lot
> of this down under " mmmm "
>
> Oldie proverb > He who tells the truth soon learns to lie :-)
>
> replies appreciated Pat Cobb
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