-Caveat Lector- <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"> </A> -Cui Bono?- Until this Moronski can get it through his allopathically indoctrinated thick head that homeopathy works by a means which the pseudo-science which he is a paid mouthpiece for (the guy is a paid professional "quack-watch" goon, like Stephen Barrett and the amazing randi - not your average "physician's assistant") -- cannot see, feel, measure, nor - apparently - observe objectively (!!) he will be limited to idiotic whinings designed to impugn what he cannot (WILL NOT) understand or observe. Are we supposed to believe he is stupid enough to think that homeopaths & their clients are not aware of the FACT that homeopathy isn't explainable by a physician's assistant with a year of college chemistry ?! Persons of Moronski's ilk have been known to respond to a question: "What would you do if someone designed a suitable double-blind study PROVING that homeopathy works?" -- with an answer such as: "Design another test." NONE are so blind as those who WILL NOT see. You can lead a physician's assistant to water, but you cannot make him drink. If a physician's assistant kills a patient and no one is watching, is the patient really dead? Is the cause likely to be purposefully obfuscated? The form of medicine that the quack-watch people are supporting by attempting to demonize & deride other healing arts is now the 4th leading CAUSE OF DEATH in the U.S., U.K., & Canada, where it holds political power. That political power was gained and is held by employing many moronskis to attack any SUCCESSFUL ALTERNATIVE to the allopathic drugging industry. SO - a paid political hatchetperson lobbying for the "medical" industry which in and of itself is the FOURTH LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH is poking sarcastic "fun" at an honorable and NON-death-dealing healing art.... so what? Consider the source and don't even bother passing it on! Or consider it as a reverse "seal of approval" - if the death-dealing pharmaceutical/allopathic industry didn't feel threatened by homeopathy, you can BET that they wouldn't be wasting money paying a bunch of moronskis to attack it ! Most Sincerely, Dave Hartley http://www.asheville-computer.com/dave -----Original Message----- From: Andrea Deslenick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 12:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Can these issues be explained? Dear all, I believe and homeopathic science, I have used the remedies on many occasions with good, satisfying outcome. Faced with next arguments and issues, I didn't find answers explaining them satisfactorily, would you please provide some help to understand. thank you. ""Stan Polanski, a physician assistant working in public health near Asheville, North Carolina, has provided additional insights: Imagine how many compounds must be present, in quantities of a molecule or more, in every dose of a homeopathic drug. Even under the most scrupulously clean conditions, airborne dust in the manufacturing facility must carry thousands of different molecules of biological origin derived from local sources (bacteria, viruses, fungi, respiratory droplets, sloughed skin cells, insect feces) as well as distant ones (pollens, soil particles, products of combustion), along with mineral particles of terrestrial and even extraterrestrial origin (meteor dust). Similarly, the "inert" diluents used in the process must have their own library of microcontaminants. The dilution/potentiation process in homeopathy involves a stepwise dilution carried to fantastic extremes, with "succussion" between each dilution . Succussion involves shaking or rapping the container a certain way. During the step-by-step dilution process, how is the emerging drug preparation supposed to know which of the countless substances in the container is the One that means business? How is it that thousands (millions?) of chemical compounds know that they are required to lay low, to just stand around while the Potent One is anointed to the status of Healer? That this scenario could lead to distinct products uniquely suited to treat particular illnesses is beyond implausible. Thus, until homeopathy's apologists can supply a plausible (nonmagical) mechanism for the "potentiation"-through-dilution of precisely one of the many substances in each of their products, it is impossible to accept that they have correctly identified the active ingredients in their products. Any study claiming to demonstrate effectiveness of a homeopathic medication should be rejected out-of-hand unless it includes a list of all the substances present in concentrations equal to or greater than the purported active ingredient at every stage of the dilution process, along with a rationale for rejecting each of them as a suspect. The process of "proving" through which homeopaths decided which medicine matches which symptom is no more sensible. Provings involved taking various substances recording every twitch, sneeze, ache or itch that occurred afterward -- often for several days. Homeopathy's followers take for granted that every sensation reported was caused by whatever substance was administered, and that extremely dilute doses of that substance would then be just the right thing to treat anyone with those specific symptoms. Dr. Park has noted that to expect to get even one molecule of the "medicinal" substance allegedly present in 30X pills, it would be necessary to take some two billion of them, which would total about a thousand tons of lactose plus whatever impurities the lactose contained." ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------------------------------------- To leave this list use your Web browser on URL http://www.lyghtforce.com/leave-homeo-list.html { in case of difficulty contact <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> } ------------------------------------------------------------- <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soap-boxing! 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