-Caveat Lector- Dear List, I am sending this to the list because I was recently removed from another list (an "anti-cult" list) on the web because I refused to stop sending data to the list about Dr. West. IMO, I had broken no list rules, I sent substantiated data, such as the data below. The comoderators on the list compared my data and tactics (simply sending urls and quotes) as similar to an alleged well known cult, simply because the same data was used. They refused to acknowledge that the data could have and probably did come from source material that the writers below and the alleged cult probably researched. I explained this to the list that this was in essence a logical fallacy, a type of propaganda. In effect, I was censored by my removal from the list. I was asked several times to back up my data with source documents and to even state in the post whether I agreed with the url or not. No one else on this list was required to do this. There were posters that post pro-false memory articles and they were not asked to verify their data, neither was their data compared to any alleged cults or other groups. IMO, there was no "freedom of mind" nor speech on this list, at least for those that take the position that mk-ultra existed and that West may have been connected to it. How can we empower people to think for themselves, when we censor those we disagree with ? Sincerely, Neil Brick Below please find urls with info on project monarch and Dr. West. This may be triggering for survivors of abuse. The following articles have proof showing the existence of Project Monarch. CIA Experiments with Mind Control on Children by Jon Rappoport http://www.netti.fi/~makako/mind/child.txt http://www.radix.net/~jcturner/anat-1.html This article is extremely well footnoted with government documents, hearing reports, etc. ""This review of the CIA's actions in the United States and Canada demonstrates how completely unprincipled was the Agency's original brainwashing program, as well as its course of legal manoeuvers years later when it was required to answer for its misconduct. The story of the brainwashing suit and the barriers that were overcome before the CIA's victims were finally compensated, illustrates both the formidable hurdles presented and the unique satisfactions gleaned in a public interest law suit." http://members.aol.com/smartnews/fivecases.htm A LOOK AT THE LAW AND GOVERMENT MIND CONTROL THROUGH FIVE CASES - CIA VS SIMS - UNITED STATES VS STANLEY - ORLIKOW, ET AL VS UNITED STATES - KRONISCH VS UNITED STATES ET AL - HEINRICH, ET AL VS SWEET, ET AL - August 15, 1999 - by, HELEN L. McGONIGLE - ATTORNEY AT LAW "MEMORANDUM FOR SUBPROJECT 84 On the MKULTRA institutional notification list attached to Brief for Respondents In No. 83-1075 and Brief for Petitioners in No. 83-1249, pp. 1a-10a, Harvard University, Cambridge Massachusetts is listed next to subprojects 84 and 92. John Mark's states: "Martin Orne's work for the Agency was described in Subproject 84. He contributed a chapter to the Society-funded book, The Manipulation of Human Behavior, edited by Albert Biderman and Herbert Zimmer (New York: John Wiley & Sons; 1961), pp. 169-215. Financial data on Orne's Institute for Experimental Psychiatry came from a filing with the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, Attachment to Form 1023". Other contributors to this book include Lawrence Hinkle, M.D. of New York Hospital-Cornell Medical Center. Hinkle was identified by the New York Times, together with Dr. D. Ewen Cameron, Dr. Robert Hyde, Dr. Louis Jolyon West, Dr. Harris Isbell, Dr. Harold Abramson, Dr. Carl Pieiffer and Dr. Charles Geschikter as all being involved in CIA backed research under Bluebird, Artichoke and MKULTRA. Described as a "Teaching Fellow, Department of Psychiatry, Harvard University Medical School", Orne's chapter in The Manipulation of Human Behavior, is entitled "The potential uses of hypnosis in interrogation" and indicates "this paper is based in part upon work under a grant from the Society for the Investigation of Human Ecology, Inc.", p. 169. The Interim Report of the Advisory Committee on Human Radiation Experiments is available from the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office. The stock number is 061-000-00819-5, for $9.00. Telephone orders: 202-512-1800, fax 202-512-2250 (8-4 EST), mail orders US Gov't Printing Office, P O Box 371954, Pitts., PA 15250-7954. Information from these hearings alleged that members of the Advisory Board for the False Memory Syndrome Foundation allegedly have CIA backgrounds, including Louis Jolyon West and Martin Orne, many FMS board members allegedly have military backgrounds and/or University ties where the CIA has funded drug and mind control experiments. It has been alleged that Louis Jolyon West has connections to CIA LSD experiments Further information on this can be found in "The Search for the Manchurian Candidate: The CIA and Mind Control" page 63. "Suddenly there was a huge market for grants in academia, as Sid Gottlieb and his aides began to fund LSD projects at prestigious universities, the Agency's LSD pathfinders can be indentified : ....Louis Jolyon West at the University of Oklahoma..." Dr. Colin Ross also discusses his alleged connections in a speech transcript available from Mind Control in Canada Radio Series CKLN-FM, tapes, CKLN, 380 Victoria St., Jorgenson Hall, Ryerson University, Toronto, CANADA. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from http://www.towardfreedom.com/may98/messing.htm, Messing with Our Minds With links to CIA mind control experts and accused child abusers, the false memory movement turns "blaming the victim" into a science - HUSAYN AL-KURDI - (all accusations are alleged) "It should come as no surprise, then, that long-time CIA and "intelligence complex" operatives turn up on the FMSF Advisory Board. Perhaps the most public member has been Dr. Louis Joylon "Jolly" West, a legendary figure in CIA mind control circles operating out of UCLA. Another is Dr. Martin Orne, an authority on torture who currently works at the University of Pennsylvania's Experimental Psychiatry Lab. While studying the effects of over 16 biochemical warfare agents until the early 1970s, Orne considered the effectiveness of choking, blistering, and vomiting agents, toxins, poison gas, and various incapacitating chemicals. During the same period, he also worked with the Cornell University-based Human Ecology Fund, sharing his findings with Dr. Even Cameron, who was then based at the McGill University Allen Institute in Montreal. At Human Ecology, electroshock, lobotomies, drugs, incapacitants, hypnosis, sleep deprivation, and radio control of the brain were all specialties of the house." Mind Control - Experiments On Children - CIA Experiments With Mind Control on Children by Jon Rappoport, Source: Perceptions Magazine, September/October 1995 10734 Jefferson Blvd., Suite 502, Culver City, CA 90230, (310) 313-5185, from http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/project161.html , "It is worth noting that there is a movement to discredit these "recovered" memories, and the most prominent group, the False Memory Syndrome Foundation (FMSF), has several board members with CIA or military-intelligence connections -- including the notorious Dr. Louis "Jolly" West of UCLA, who tried to establish a center for "the study of violence" at the university in the 1970s. This center's specialty would have been psychosurgery, a horrendous melting of brain connections, supposedly to curb people's "violent tendencies." Jon Rappoport's website is : http://home.earthlink.net/~alto/index.html Reference: INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS AND THE FEDERAL ROLE IN BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION Committee on the Judiciary, U.S. Senate, 93rd Congress Nov. 1974 $5.35, Govt. Printing Office. Pages 304-359 about UCLA, LEAA FUNDING, WORKING WITH HEW, CIA , DEFENSE DEPT., STATE DEPT., for women, blacks, Indians, juveniles, Drug addicts, prisoners, ex-convicts. STATE OF CALIFORNIA, DEPARTMENT OF MENTAL HYGIENE, NEUROPSYCHIATRIC INSTITUTE, CENTER FOR THE HEALTH SCIENCES, Los Angeles, Calif., January 22, 1973 J. M. STUBBLEBINE, M.D., Director of Health, Office of Health Planning, State of California, Sacramento, Calif. DEAR STIB: I am in possession of confidential information to the effect that the Army is prepared to turn over Nike missile bases to state and local agencies for non-military purposes. They may look with special favor on health-related applications. Such a Nike missile base is located in the Santa Monica Mountains, within a half-hour's drive of the Neuropsychiatric Institute. It is accessible but relatively remote. The site is securely fenced, and includes various buildings and improvements making it suitable for prompt occupancy. If this site were made available to Neuropsychiatric Institute as a research facility, perhaps initially as an adjunct to the new Center for Prevention of Violence, we could put it to very good use. Comparative studies could be carried out there, in an isolated but convenient location, of experimental or model programs for the alteration of undesirable behavior. 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