-Caveat Lector- We now have the lowest energy prices since Sept 98 thru Feb 99 when the Dept. of Energy reported the lowest inflation-adjusted gas prices since they began keeping records. Also, we have the lowest interest rates in 40 years (thanks to the Federal Reserve). Interest rates and energy prices are the 2 largest factors affecting the "cost of living". It's an interesting coincidence that both are at rock bottom at the same time....as they were during Clinton's Impeachment in the House and the Senatetrial. My point is that these things are manipulated and controlled. Economists tell us these things are controlled by "market forces". It should be obvious that far more than market forces are involved. It's also interesting that Russia makes this announcement the day after Putin and Bush enjoy Texas barbeque down at the ranch. Nakano
"...the United States would receive a much-needed lift from plummeting energy costs, with consumers freed to spend more on holiday purchases..." "OPEC leaders acknowledge that Russia has become the market's linchpin. "We cannot have cuts without Russia," New York Times Oil Prices Tumble to 2-Year Low November 16, 2001 By SABRINA TAVERNISE with NEELA BANERJEE MOSCOW, Nov. 15 - Oil prices went into free fall today as Russia, the world's biggest oil exporter after Saudi Arabia, rejected a challenge from the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries to stabilize prices by sharply cutting production. [And this announcement comes one day after Putin has barbeque with Bush at the Texas ranch] Prices in New York dropped 11.6 percent, to $17.45 a barrel, their lowest level in more than two years. Crude oil prices have fallen 21 percent this week. Analysts said the recession-bound economy of the United States would receive a much-needed lift from plummeting energy costs, with consumers freed to spend more on holiday purchases and with beleaguered airlines and cargo haulers bearing one less burden. Experts added that Russia's stance reflected both the government's limited control over Russian oil companies and Moscow's post- Sept. 11 collaboration with the West. Russia and the United States, they added, share OPEC's concerns that prices might fall too far and shake regimes whose stability is especially critical to the war on terrorism. OPEC leaders acknowledged that their unexpected decision on Wednesday not to reduce oil production unless other major exporters did the same amounted to the declaration of a price war. The cartel's gamble is that falling oil prices will persuade its competitors to blink and join in production cuts. OPEC said it expected Norway and Mexico, the second- and third- largest producers outside the group, to come around. But Prime Minister Mikhail Kasyanov of Russia said today during an official visit to Spain that his country would resist "any big reductions" beyond the token reduction of 30,000 barrels a day that it promised earlier in the week. In a telephone interview from Spain, Aleksei Volin, the deputy head of the Russian government's administration, explained that deeper cuts could endanger Russia's obligations to its customers in Europe, where it sends most of its oil exports. OPEC leaders acknowledge that Russia has become the market's linchpin. "We cannot have cuts without Russia," Adil Khalid al-Subih, Kuwait's oil minister, said in an interview in Vienna. "We will not support any cuts without a significant contribution from non-OPEC nations. They know exactly what they are doing. It is not a matter of convincing them." The question that will loom larger each day, OPEC officials and industry experts said, is who will surrender first, as prices enter a tailspin and ravage economies highly dependent on oil revenues. "It's a game of chicken," said Roger Diwan, managing director at the Petroleum Finance Company, a consulting group in Washington. "OPEC wants to scare Russia and the Russian oil companies. They want to show that with low oil prices, everybody will hurt." To bolster oil prices in a slowing global economy, OPEC has pared its daily output three times this year for a total of 3.5 million barrels, or 13 percent. But the cartel's rivals have responded by increasing their production, grabbing market share and cashing in on prices that have averaged more than $25 a barrel. OPEC's 10 voting members have said that they will no longer tolerate that situation. They proposed on Wednesday that OPEC would reduce output by a further 1.5 million barrels a day as of Jan. 1, if non-OPEC producers cut by a total of 500,000 barrels a day. For Russia, the decision to defy OPEC may be less a national energy strategy and more an effort to avoid confrontation with the country's powerful oil companies. Under Russian law, the government has some control over oil exports. But unlike the situations in Mexico and Norway, in Russia most of the industry is in private hands and the government has been hesitant to force companies to cut. Some Russian companies that have worked the hardest to increase production and restore an industry that had collapsed with the fall of the Soviet Union are adamantly opposed to cuts. They would force layoffs, executives argue, and waste expensive new technology bought over the last three years. "If they say we have to cut, we will cut, but I'll do everything I can to show it is unreasonable," Mikhail Khodorkovsky, chief executive of Yukos, Russia's second-largest oil producer, said today at a news conference in Moscow. Still, Russia's warming relations with the United States since Sept. 11 may also be playing a role in its oil policy. President Vladimir V. Putin reiterated last month that Russia could serve the West as an alternative source of energy to a destabilized Middle East. Mr. Khodorkovsky echoed that theme today. "We can propose a real partnership with the West in creating a stable market for oil," he said. "That window of opportunity is today." Other Russian oil companies indicated, however, that there was room for compromise with OPEC, in part because a further slide in oil prices - to $15 a barrel or less - would force the layoffs or cutbacks in exploration and production that they are trying to avoid. Lukoil, its biggest producer, said the Russian oil industry could withstand a cut of 200,000 to 300,000 barrels a day. The third-largest producer, Tyumen Oil, said it would begin trimming its investment program if prices fell below $17 a barrel. One high-level OPEC official said today that the United States government would be concerned, too, if prices fell below about $15 a barrel. The Americans, he said, understand that as Persian Gulf nations lose oil revenue, the welfare states they support come under stress. That, he said, could pose more of a threat to their stability than bombing raids in Afghanistan that are unpopular among many Arab citizens. Dr. Subih, the Kuwait oil minister, told reporters in Vienna that prices could fall to $10 a barrel - a level not flirted with since late 1998 - if non- OPEC producers did not join the cartel in cutting production. A price war, he acknowledged, could be damaging to OPEC members, whose economies are lopsidedly reliant on oil revenue. But the cartel is betting that Russia, too, will feel the pain. Oil is at the heart of Russia's economy; together with natural gas, it makes up half of the country's earnings from exports. The Moscow government's federal budget is balanced delicately on an oil price of about $20. This year's budget surplus provides a cushion, but a long period of low prices could mean difficult spending cuts in 2003, when foreign debt payments of about $19 billion come due. "For the next year their position is secure; the question is the year 2003," said Aleksei Zabotkine, chief economist at the United Financial Group (news/quote), an investment bank based in Moscow. "If the oil price doesn't reverse itself, then we will see a rather unpleasant situation." Even so, Russia has never followed through on past promises to cut oil exports, and most analysts here do not expect this time to be different. "Russia wants to appease OPEC, but it will not do anything concrete," said Dmitri Avdeev, an oil analyst at United Financial (news/quote). "Exports might fall because of seasonal factors, but production will continue to rise." http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/16/business/16OIL.html?ex=1006932820&ei=1&en=26e3384012309e3b New York Times Oil Prices Tumble to 2-Year Low November 16, 2001 By SABRINA TAVERNISE with NEELA BANERJEE MOSCOW, Nov. 15 - Oil prices went into free fall today as Russia, the world's biggest oil exporter after Saudi Arabia, rejected a challenge from the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries to stabilize prices by sharply cutting production. [And this announcement comes one day after Putin has barbeque with Bush at the Texas ranch] Prices in New York dropped 11.6 percent, to $17.45 a barrel, their lowest level in more than two years. Crude oil prices have fallen 21 percent this week. Analysts said We now have the lowest energy prices since Sept 98 thru Feb 99 when the Dept. of Energy reported the lowest inflation-adjusted gas prices since they began keeping records. Also, we have the lowest interest rates in 40 years (thanks to the Federal Reserve). Interest rates and energy prices are the 2 largest factors in the "cost of living". It's an interesting coincidence that both are at rock bottom at the same time....as they were during Clinton's Impeachment and Senate trial. My point is that these things are manipulated and controlled. More than market forces are involved. JC New York Times Oil Prices Tumble to 2-Year Low November 16, 2001 By SABRINA TAVERNISE with NEELA BANERJEE MOSCOW, Nov. 15 - Oil prices went into free fall today as Russia, the world's biggest oil exporter after Saudi Arabia, rejected a challenge from the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries to stabilize prices by sharply cutting production. [And this announcement comes one day after Putin has barbeque with Bush at the Texas ranch] Prices in New York dropped 11.6 percent, to $17.45 a barrel, their lowest level in more than two years. Crude oil prices have fallen 21 percent this week. Analysts said the recession-bound economy of the United States would receive a much-needed lift from plummeting energy costs, with consumers freed to spend more on holiday purchases and with beleaguered airlines and cargo haulers bearing one less burden. Experts added that Russia's stance reflected both the government's limited control over Russian oil companies and Moscow's post- Sept. 11 collaboration with the West. Russia and the United States, they added, share OPEC's concerns that prices might fall too far and shake regimes whose stability is especially critical to the war on terrorism. OPEC leaders acknowledged that their unexpected decision on Wednesday not to reduce oil production unless other major exporters did the same amounted to the declaration of a price war. The cartel's gamble is that falling oil prices will persuade its competitors to blink and join in production cuts. OPEC said it expected Norway and Mexico, the second- and third- largest producers outside the group, to come around. But Prime Minister Mikhail Kasyanov of Russia said today during an official visit to Spain that his country would resist "any big reductions" beyond the token reduction of 30,000 barrels a day that it promised earlier in the week. In a telephone interview from Spain, Aleksei Volin, the deputy head of the Russian government's administration, explained that deeper cuts could endanger Russia's obligations to its customers in Europe, where it sends most of its oil exports. OPEC leaders acknowledge that Russia has become the market's linchpin. "We cannot have cuts without Russia," Adil Khalid al-Subih, Kuwait's oil minister, said in an interview in Vienna. "We will not support any cuts without a significant contribution from non-OPEC nations. They know exactly what they are doing. It is not a matter of convincing them." The question that will loom larger each day, OPEC officials and industry experts said, is who will surrender first, as prices enter a tailspin and ravage economies highly dependent on oil revenues. "It's a game of chicken," said Roger Diwan, managing director at the Petroleum Finance Company, a consulting group in Washington. "OPEC wants to scare Russia and the Russian oil companies. They want to show that with low oil prices, everybody will hurt." To bolster oil prices in a slowing global economy, OPEC has pared its daily output three times this year for a total of 3.5 million barrels, or 13 percent. But the cartel's rivals have responded by increasing their production, grabbing market share and cashing in on prices that have averaged more than $25 a barrel. OPEC's 10 voting members have said that they will no longer tolerate that situation. They proposed on Wednesday that OPEC would reduce output by a further 1.5 million barrels a day as of Jan. 1, if non-OPEC producers cut by a total of 500,000 barrels a day. For Russia, the decision to defy OPEC may be less a national energy strategy and more an effort to avoid confrontation with the country's powerful oil companies. Under Russian law, the government has some control over oil exports. But unlike the situations in Mexico and Norway, in Russia most of the industry is in private hands and the government has been hesitant to force companies to cut. Some Russian companies that have worked the hardest to increase production and restore an industry that had collapsed with the fall of the Soviet Union are adamantly opposed to cuts. They would force layoffs, executives argue, and waste expensive new technology bought over the last three years. "If they say we have to cut, we will cut, but I'll do everything I can to show it is unreasonable," Mikhail Khodorkovsky, chief executive of Yukos, Russia's second-largest oil producer, said today at a news conference in Moscow. Still, Russia's warming relations with the United States since Sept. 11 may also be playing a role in its oil policy. President Vladimir V. Putin reiterated last month that Russia could serve the West as an alternative source of energy to a destabilized Middle East. Mr. Khodorkovsky echoed that theme today. "We can propose a real partnership with the West in creating a stable market for oil," he said. "That window of opportunity is today." Other Russian oil companies indicated, however, that there was room for compromise with OPEC, in part because a further slide in oil prices - to $15 a barrel or less - would force the layoffs or cutbacks in exploration and production that they are trying to avoid. Lukoil, its biggest producer, said the Russian oil industry could withstand a cut of 200,000 to 300,000 barrels a day. The third-largest producer, Tyumen Oil, said it would begin trimming its investment program if prices fell below $17 a barrel. One high-level OPEC official said today that the United States government would be concerned, too, if prices fell below about $15 a barrel. The Americans, he said, understand that as Persian Gulf nations lose oil revenue, the welfare states they support come under stress. That, he said, could pose more of a threat to their stability than bombing raids in Afghanistan that are unpopular among many Arab citizens. Dr. Subih, the Kuwait oil minister, told reporters in Vienna that prices could fall to $10 a barrel - a level not flirted with since late 1998 - if non- OPEC producers did not join the cartel in cutting production. A price war, he acknowledged, could be damaging to OPEC members, whose economies are lopsidedly reliant on oil revenue. But the cartel is betting that Russia, too, will feel the pain. Oil is at the heart of Russia's economy; together with natural gas, it makes up half of the country's earnings from exports. The Moscow government's federal budget is balanced delicately on an oil price of about $20. This year's budget surplus provides a cushion, but a long period of low prices could mean difficult spending cuts in 2003, when foreign debt payments of about $19 billion come due. "For the next year their position is secure; the question is the year 2003," said Aleksei Zabotkine, chief economist at the United Financial Group (news/quote), an investment bank based in Moscow. "If the oil price doesn't reverse itself, then we will see a rather unpleasant situation." Even so, Russia has never followed through on past promises to cut oil exports, and most analysts here do not expect this time to be different. "Russia wants to appease OPEC, but it will not do anything concrete," said Dmitri Avdeev, an oil analyst at United Financial (news/quote). "Exports might fall because of seasonal factors, but production will continue to rise." http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/16/business/16OIL.html?ex=1006932820&ei=1&en=26e3384012309e3b Experts added that Russia's stance reflected both the government's limited control over Russian oil companies and Moscow's post- Sept. 11 collaboration with the West. Russia and the United States, they added, share OPEC's concerns that prices might fall too far and shake regimes whose stability is especially critical to the war on terrorism. OPEC leaders acknowledged that their unexpected decision on Wednesday not to reduce oil production unless other major exporters did the same amounted to the declaration of a price war. The cartel's gamble is that falling oil prices will persuade its competitors to blink and join in production cuts. OPEC said it expected Norway and Mexico, the second- and third- largest producers outside the group, to come around. But Prime Minister Mikhail Kasyanov of Russia said today during an official visit to Spain that his country would resist "any big reductions" beyond the token reduction of 30,000 barrels a day that it promised earlier in the week. In a telephone interview from Spain, Aleksei Volin, the deputy head of the Russian government's administration, explained that deeper cuts could endanger Russia's obligations to its customers in Europe, where it sends most of its oil exports. OPEC leaders acknowledge that Russia has become the market's linchpin. "We cannot have cuts without Russia," Adil Khalid al-Subih, Kuwait's oil minister, said in an interview in Vienna. "We will not support any cuts without a significant contribution from non-OPEC nations. They know exactly what they are doing. It is not a matter of convincing them." The question that will loom larger each day, OPEC officials and industry experts said, is who will surrender first, as prices enter a tailspin and ravage economies highly dependent on oil revenues. "It's a game of chicken," said Roger Diwan, managing director at the Petroleum Finance Company, a consulting group in Washington. "OPEC wants to scare Russia and the Russian oil companies. They want to show that with low oil prices, everybody will hurt." To bolster oil prices in a slowing global economy, OPEC has pared its daily output three times this year for a total of 3.5 million barrels, or 13 percent. But the cartel's rivals have responded by increasing their production, grabbing market share and cashing in on prices that have averaged more than $25 a barrel. OPEC's 10 voting members have said that they will no longer tolerate that situation. They proposed on Wednesday that OPEC would reduce output by a further 1.5 million barrels a day as of Jan. 1, if non-OPEC producers cut by a total of 500,000 barrels a day. For Russia, the decision to defy OPEC may be less a national energy strategy and more an effort to avoid confrontation with the country's powerful oil companies. Under Russian law, the government has some control over oil exports. But unlike the situations in Mexico and Norway, in Russia most of the industry is in private hands and the government has been hesitant to force companies to cut. Some Russian companies that have worked the hardest to increase production and restore an industry that had collapsed with the fall of the Soviet Union are adamantly opposed to cuts. They would force layoffs, executives argue, and waste expensive new technology bought over the last three years. "If they say we have to cut, we will cut, but I'll do everything I can to show it is unreasonable," Mikhail Khodorkovsky, chief executive of Yukos, Russia's second-largest oil producer, said today at a news conference in Moscow. Still, Russia's warming relations with the United States since Sept. 11 may also be playing a role in its oil policy. President Vladimir V. Putin reiterated last month that Russia could serve the West as an alternative source of energy to a destabilized Middle East. Mr. Khodorkovsky echoed that theme today. "We can propose a real partnership with the West in creating a stable market for oil," he said. "That window of opportunity is today." Other Russian oil companies indicated, however, that there was room for compromise with OPEC, in part because a further slide in oil prices - to $15 a barrel or less - would force the layoffs or cutbacks in exploration and production that they are trying to avoid. Lukoil, its biggest producer, said the Russian oil industry could withstand a cut of 200,000 to 300,000 barrels a day. The third-largest producer, Tyumen Oil, said it would begin trimming its investment program if prices fell below $17 a barrel. One high-level OPEC official said today that the United States government would be concerned, too, if prices fell below about $15 a barrel. The Americans, he said, understand that as Persian Gulf nations lose oil revenue, the welfare states they support come under stress. That, he said, could pose more of a threat to their stability than bombing raids in Afghanistan that are unpopular among many Arab citizens. Dr. Subih, the Kuwait oil minister, told reporters in Vienna that prices could fall to $10 a barrel - a level not flirted with since late 1998 - if non- OPEC producers did not join the cartel in cutting production. A price war, he __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. 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