-Caveat Lector-

Cooper, Grietz, Lear, Gunderson .... once again, is there
any such thing as an  EX-intelligence/secret services guy,
Virginia?

Greitz is JDL but not to worry... Grietz is 33rd degree
Mason but not to worry... Greitz is ex-special services
hired killer who seemed to love his work but that was then,
this is now ...  I mean, NOOOO problem - right? Ya gotta
love this guy.

We will probably never know the truth about this as about
so much else - but when you put together some of these
strands - Grietz was special forces in  Nam; there was(I
have read) much use of mind control  on participants in
Nam, especially those in Grietz's line of work; Grietz,
being charismatic, is a very useful type; Grietz seems to
have several mutually contradictory views, be all over the
map, etc.; now Greitz is emotionally troubled, has tried to
kill himself (which allegedly many under mind control are
programmed to do when their usefulness runs out and/or they
start to integrate/become harder to control)... I really do
not know, but when you put all these together, it looks a
tad suspicious.
        I wonder if Greitz is what they call a Pied Piper, like
Rush Limbaugh -  says enough of the 'right things' (no pun
intended) to get the trust of the targeted sub-group & then
is used to lead them down the garden path on certain key
issues - like Rush did re NAFTA/GATT.
        These devious, Machiavellian ways of power should be
taught in the schools, of course, (they sure do make boring
subject like economics, govt., and history get real
interesting) -  but why they are not is of course a no-
brainer. Which means the general public should be able to
wrap their minds around it - but, in the battle for the
minds of men to date  I would say the score so far is,
Them: 99,999 or so, in round numbers; Us: pretty much
double that, square it & tack on a minus sign.
        Oh well -  at least we are living in interesting times...

                                                        molli

-Caveat Lector-

        The TWO definitely hated each other.  No doubt
about
        that.

        However the .45 caliber wound to Gritz's chest was
        self

        inflicted from depression over his legal battles.

        And YES GRITZ was a 32nd Degree Freemason.  One of
        his

        friends told me that at a GRITZ seminar about 7
        years

        ago.  However I think that GRITZ was one of the

        NON-ILLUMINATED FREEMASONS.   The ONES who DONT

        know what is going on.









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-Caveat Lector-

http://www.williamcooper.com/trojan.htm

Gritz Attempts Suicide - Survives

Tuesday, September 22, 1998

Boise, Idaho -- James "Bo" Gritz, the former Green Beret
colonel and leader of the right-wing Patriot Movement, was
found with a self inflicted gunshot wound along a highway
near his home after falling into despair over his pending
divorce. Clearwater County Sheriff Nick Ablers said the
59-year-old Gritz shot himself in the upper left chest with
a .45 calliber handgun ... he said it was not accidental.
The wound was not life-threatening, Albers said. A
spokeswoman at clearwater Valley Hospital in Orofino
confirmed that Gritz was being treated there and said he was
in stable condition.

Trojan Horse Lt.Col. James "Bo" Gritz

As you read the letter to the editor below written by
Lt.Col. James "Bo" Gritz please note the admissions
contained therein. Gritz states that he became a "cadet" in
1953 and entered active Army service in 1957. He admits that
he is "a regular U.S. Army officer on retainer with
'hip-pocket' orders" yet he has claimed on many occasions
that he resigned his commission. If he had resigned his
commission as he has claimed why is he always in uniform
and/or pictured in uniform?

Want to know the truth? Gritz is working for the Department
of Defense and the United States government.

Gritz admits membership in the Jewish Defense League. He
openly admits that he is a Zionist. He has claimed to be a
Mormon, Christian Identity, Christian, and during one
memorable moment while lecturing in Sedona, Arizona Gritz
claimed to have tried all religions but had never found one
in which he could believe. He has claimed to have left the
Mormon Church but the Church has never excommunicated him, a
fate which has never failed to befall all Mormon Apostates.
The Mormon Church lists him as a full member (Temple) in
good standing, which means he never stopped attending and
pays his tithes according to schedule. On his radio
broadcast Gritz has proclaimed the new age religion
admitting that he sent his son for "past life regression,"
an admission of belief in reincarnation, and found that his
son was a "soldier" in his past life (Wow... who would have
guessed?).

There is nothing wrong with any of that for an honest man.
After all this is supposed to be a free country where we
cherish the ability to believe whatever we choose as long as
we do not injure the person or property of any other
Citizen. There is, however, a great deal wrong with LYING to
the American People about who and what he really is and who
and what he really represents.

Zionists are racist. Zionists believe they are a superior
race chosen by God to rule the world in a one world
government with the capitol in Jerusalem. Zionists believe
all other People are inferior. Zionism is Christian
Identity, British Israelism, and a radical branch of
Judaism. Most Zionists are white Christians and Orthodox
Messianic Jews. Most Jews are not Orthodox but secular in
their religious beliefs and are not Zionist.

Harvest Trust has determined that Gritz is a 32nd Degree
Freemason of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry of the
Southern Jurisdiction (we are in possession of a photograph
of Gritz wearing the 32nd Degree ring), an FBI Informant,
and an active undercover agent for the Special Operations
Group of the Department of Defense as an integral member of
Project Trojan Horse. Gritz was working directly for and
with the FBI when he wore a wire and talked Randy Weaver
into giving up; he was working directly for and with the FBI
when he attempted to talk the Freemen into surrendering and
Gritz has admitted that he is now working for the FBI in an
attempt to talk Rudolph into giving up to authorities.

Remember... you heard all of this from William Cooper years
ago. The following was taken from Lt.Col. James "Bo" Gritz
WebPage: http://www.bogritz.com/lw/nokidnap.html


"I Am No Kidnapper"
James "Bo" Gritz is well known to Americans as the former
Green Beret colonel who attempted to help the U.S.
government negotiate the standoffs with right-wing militants
at Ruby Ridge, Mont. in 1992 and the Freemen's compound in
Jordan, Mont. this past summer. Earlier this month, Gritz
and his son were arrested in Suffield on a variety of
charges, including attempted kidnapping of two children
involved in a custody suit. Gritz, who is scheduled to
return to Connecticut for his arraignment in Enfield
Superior Court on Oct. 29., has written a response to our
cover story that we have printed in full below. A brief
response by staff writer John Perritano follows.

We welcome the opportunity to allow Gritz to set the record
straight in his own words. The Advocate, however, cannot
vouch for the representations made in the letter, which has
been lightly edited for length and context in concurrence
with our regular letters policy.

--The Editor
Hartford Advocate


------------------------------------------------------------
--------

"The 17 October edition of the Hartford Advocate's
"Conspiracy of Hate" was indeed just that, but devoid of
fact. Since its release, outraged Americans have faxed and
mailed me copies from all over the United States. It is
unfortunate that the Advocate printed this extensive cover
article without so much as a phone call to me. This was
irresponsible and insupportable journalism, unless the
purpose of the publication is to provide the public with
fishwrap!

The article cast me as a militia-leading, government-hating,
anti-Semitic racist supporter of the KKK and neo-Nazis --
all of which is a blatant lie! In accordance with U.S. Codes
10 and 32, which define the "unorganized" militia, as a
regular U.S. Army officer on retainer with "hip-pocket"
orders, I cannot be a member of any militia. I neither
belong to, nor lead any such organization. Neither do I
support fear of "black helicopters," UN or extraterrestrial
invasions. I have steadfastly done everything in my power to
dissuade anarchist militia activity and debunk people who
advocate violence.

I certainly have no hatred for the government, having served
since joining as a cadet in 1953 and entering the U.S. Armed
Forces in 1957. Unlike many holders of high national office,
I went when called by our government along with millions of
loyal American men and women to do what others feared and
fled from. I served our nation on the Army general staff as
a commander of U.S. Special Forces in Latin America and a
chief of congressional relations in the office of the
Secretary of Defense. When asked by high level intelligence
officials in 1979, I returned to Communist Asia in search of
U.S. prisoners of war and those missing in action, as
confirmed by a Classified Information Procedures Act hearing
in 1989, adjudicated by federal Judge Phil Pro.

Four times since 1992 I have volunteered to help our
government solve prolonged deadly sieges without further
bloodshed. The Weaver family on Ruby Ridge is well known;
Gordon Sellner was just sentenced to live in prison for the
attempted murder of a law officer in Montana; I was denied
access to Waco; the Montana Freemen are now awaiting trial.

I returned in 1987 from Burma's Golden Triangle with
information on official involvement in illegal drug
operations. I was told to "erase and forget" or I would
"hurt the government." My oath of allegiance was to uphold
the law, not protect a nest of bureaucratic pukes overdosing
America, regardless of their high office or lofty
intentions. When I refused to cooperate and presented the
evidence before Congress, Department of Justice elements
tried to put me in prison.

What the Advocate article should have said is: "Bo Gritz
refused to be David Duke's running mate in 1988." I was
invited by the Populist Party in 1988 to share my POW
experiences. I accepted the paid invitation to speak.
Following my talk, I was told they planned to run James
Traficant [D-Ohio] as their presidential candidate. I knew
and respected Traficant. They asked me to be his running
mate. After lunching with Traficant, I consented. My name
was instantly accepted by the delegates. It wasn't until the
next day that they rejected Traficant in favor of David
Duke, whom I did not know.

I immediately informed the leadership of my withdrawal, but
was urged to first meet with Duke. Photos were taken and we
spoke briefly. I found Duke to be a brash, untraveled,
overly opinionated, bigoted young man and resigned as a
non-member candidate. Duke was furnished with another
running mate who appeared on the voting ballot with him.

In 1992, seeing an explosive federal debt and misguided
foreign policy, I ran for president as an independent. I
offered my name as a Populist with the clear understanding
that it was under my platform. I have no knowledge of, or
relationship with the miscreants mentioned in the Advocate
article as supporters of my campaign. I failed to qualify in
Georgia because I ordered my state manager, Pastor Alan
Peacock, to dump 10,000 signatures when he informed me that
the Klan was behind my campaign. I will not support anyone
that I know to hate any class of Americans.

During the 1992 campaign, Identity Christians "spewed" me
from their mouth when I refused to support a position of
death to all homosexuals and stated in Los Angeles that, as
president, I would enforce their rights under the law. I had
previously been invited to be a voice for our POWs at his
Christian rallies. I did not and would not share the
platform with persons I knew to be anti-American.

Traveling to every state I observed that many people are
distrustful of the government. Ruby Ridge in August 1992
fanned fears that federal police were acting like the Nazis.
My son Micheil and daughter Melody are Amerasian. A
soon-to-be daughter-in-law is from Colombia. I have a black
God-child. I get along well with people of all colors,
creeds and ethnic diversity throughout the world.

Failing the election, I thought my contribution might be to
pass along my confidence and experience to concerned
Americans, as I had in foreign lands. I have never run a
paramilitary camp! My SPIKE (Specially Prepared Individuals
for Key Events) program is specifically designed to allow
trained Americans to be self-reliant and capable of
assisting others and caring for themselves when 911 cannot.
Hurricanes such as Andrew, Midwest floods, southern
tornadoes, western earthquakes, eastern ice storms, riots
and power failures are all evidence why people need to be
prepared.

Linda Wiegand has never attended a SPIKE seminar. SPIKE
training, conducted in 12 phases over a period of 42 months
in 10 cities from Jacksonville to Portland, concluded this
last June in Sacramento. Every phase focused on emergency
medical skills from basic EMT (Phase 1) to pain control
(Phase 12). Additionally, each phase incorporated subjects
like alternative energy, self-defense for the young, elderly
and disabled, rape prevention, hostage negotiation, personal
security, counter-terrorist driving, mountain adventure
operations, et al.

We taught 3,000 people how to safely handle a handgun, as
well as control an aircraft under emergency conditions. Many
Spikers are now "first responders" to 911 calls, present as
security coordinators for the Republican Convention in San
Diego, assisting in FEMA operations and helping in community
operations as so-called "militia" organizations should be
doing.

I am a member of the Jewish Defense League's San Francisco
chapter. I believe the fate of America is linked to Israel.
For that reason I am a longtime The Forward subscriber. I do
not support Israel's trade of land for paper promises. I do
believe that Armageddon will take place on a 200-mile
battlefield not far from Jerusalem. I have no idea of the
exact time, but current events point to a possible
confrontation between Israel and her enemies in the years to
come.

I have formed a Constitutional Covenant Community in central
Idaho where the great Nez Perce Chief Joseph said: "From
where the sun stands now, I will fight no more forever." It
is open to any and every American. Kamiah, Idaho is the only
location from Maine to Miami, San Diego to Seattle, devoid
of weather extremes, social upheaval, economic problems,
military targeting, environmental ills from nuclear power,
natural disasters etc., while offering moderate climate,
rich soil, pure water, beautiful scenery, small government
and other desirable qualities.

Unfortunately, the Advocate is right. For reasons I don't
understand, Linda Wiegand's story would not be nationwide
had I not been arrested. Every attorney, doctor and official
I spoke to in trying to disprove her charges of sexual child
abuse only affirmed what her documents state. After taking
Linda to a eminent local attorney, I decided the only
acceptable course of action was to elevate the issue in the
national news to a point where Linda and her sons might get
fair consideration in the Connecticut courts.

I planned to challenge the Suffield Police handling of
Linda's case, it was not at the place, time and circumstance
of our arrest. I was not aware of where either boy goes to
school. Having looked at a map we were not at Jon's middle
school but at the high school. The 1955 Chevrolet was on
that same road, just further down than we had ventured
before turning back. There was no cause for the officers to
stop us. The weapon is a legal pocket knife. There was no
photo of the children between us, or a school schedule.
There were two boxes, one was sealed and the other full of
knitting yarn.

Unless the Suffield Police are perennial liars, they will
confirm this. My son and I were leaving that day, the radios
were rentals we used at a parachute event and didn't want to
leave them unattended in the motel. The small lock pick kit
is mine. I am a certified lockmaster; I have written three
manuals on vocational locksmithing and maintain current
accounts with major locksmith suppliers.

I intend to file a false arrest suit. I will continue doing
all I can until Linda Wiegand has her custody case properly
heard in the courts. I am not a kidnapper! We have
representation and will be found innocent. In my opinion the
Advocate maligned a mom frightened for her two young sons.
So many authorities can't all be wrong about their written
opinions of abuse. While the problem is nationwide, I pray
the same never happens to any of you. Too bad Hartford
doesn't have Brussels's public interest in child rights and
police bungling."

Bo Gritz
Kamiah, Idaho


------------------------------------------------------------
--------

John Perritano replies: It is true that Bo Gritz articulates
the views of a relatively small number of Americans who are
convinced the U.S. government is not to be trusted.
According to David H. Bennett, a history professor at
Syracuse University, Gritz is the best known of the leaders
of the Christian Patriot movement. Bennett, in his book The
Party of Fear (University of North Carolina Press, 1988,
updated 1995) says, as do other sources, that Gritz was on
the Populist ticket with David Duke in 1988, but quickly
dropped out of the race. Bennett writes that Gritz later
disavow links to Duke and others saying "anyone who is a
racist, anyone who is a bigot...I don't want their support."

Yet the Christian patriot movement, according to Bennett,
"fold their racist views into discussions of constitutional
rights...there is a subject of bigotry in much of what they
say and do." While Gritz denies being a bigot--a denial that
we fully acknowledged on page 13--his mere association with
the movement has casts a dubious shadow over Gritz in the
minds of many. Gritz has, to his credit, consistently tried
to distance himself from people like Duke.

Bo Gritz's name appears prominently in much of the
literature of the Christian patriot movement and therefore,
unfortunately, its unsavory elements. "He has a magnetic
personality and is a charismatic figure for many people,"
Bennett told us in an interview. "He does have a dark
underbelly." We were unable to speak with Gritz for our
cover story, despite contacting his Hartford attorney, Jon
Schoenhorn, a half-dozen times with requests for an
interview.



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