-Caveat Lector- Israel's RIGHT TO EXIST has everything to do with God and not arms. That's "right" to exist and not the "power" to enforce that right...another matter. Israel's right to exist is expressed in its Constitutional document, The Law of Return. The Law of Return has no validity unless the Deed to the Holy Land from the OT is valid and those laying claim by it are RIGHTFULLY the people cited in the Deed. Atheists assert that the "Agent" who originally granted this Deed does not exist. THEY ARE MOCKING JUSTICE by saying this because they expect the Justice System to enforce their claim, a claim they believe to be bogus. Atheists do not accept the very foundation of Ancient Israel upon the Ten Commandments, also given by that same "Agent" to Moses and his people. This whole matter "stinks to high heaven" as the saying goes. POC
On Sun, 24 Mar 2002, thew wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > The argument he made had nothing to do with god, and everything to do with > arms. > > I would just add that the land was not given in the name of the fictional > john doe, but by the landlord at the time of transfer - the British empire. > > > on 3/24/02 5:32 PM, Party of Citizens at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > -Caveat Lector- > > > > In case anyone failed to pick up on the legal implications of this, let's > > spell it out. If I believe John Doe is a fiction, ie doesn't exist, how > > can I accept a legal document from John Doe as valid? To make matters > > worse, what if I were to seize the land of long-term occupants of that > > land and claim it as my own, waving a copy of a deed from John Doe even > > while I believe there is no John Doe? I may have a right to choose atheism > > as my belief system, but that is quite another matter. There is nothing > > honest about accepting the benefits of a deed from a person I believe to > > be non-existent and taking the land violently from those who currently own > > it by recourse to what I believe to be a bogus deed. Very strange indeed, > > this "Jewish Justice". > > POC > > > > On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Party of Citizens wrote: > > > >> Hmmm...the Law of Return has no validity unless there was a Deed to the > >> Holy Land from the Creator to the Ancient Israelites. Now you tell us > >> that atheists who deny the validity of the Creator are to be the > >> beneficiaries of this Deed. Does anyone else see a problem with that? > >> A problem in law? Golda Meier once lamented having some 30% atheists among > >> her citizens. Seems to be a BIG problem. > >> > >> POC > >> > >> On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Nurev Ind wrote: > >> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Party of Citizens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 3:19 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [CTRL] [ctrl] opposition to Israel is motivated by > >>> anti-Semitism / Christian theology > >>> > >>>> Please explain to us how it is that you, as an atheistic jew have a right > >>>> of return to Ancient Israel, under the "Law of Return". > >>>> POC > >>> > >>> Because we have modern Israel on the same spot, and we > >>> initiated the law of return for Jews. > >>> > >>> Not complicated is it? > >>> > >>> If you can wrest away that piece of real estate and hold it, then > >>> YOU can initiate a law of return for phony Identity wananbees. > >>> > >>> Thats how it goes see. > >>> > >>> J2 > >>> > >>>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Nurev Ind wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: "Party of Citizens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>> To: "Nurev Ind" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 9:58 PM > >>>>> Subject: Re: [ctrl] opposition to Israel is motivated by anti-Semitism / > >>>>> Christian theology > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> How much Antichristism is rooted in YOUR theology? > >>>>> POC > >>>>> ========= > >>>>> I dont have a theology. I'm an atheist. > >>>>> > >>>>> J2 > >>>>> ====== > >>>>> On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Nurev Ind wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Melanie Phillips says the Archbishop of Wales is among Churchmen > >>> worried > >>>>>> that opposition to Israel is motivated by anti-Semitism rooted deep in > >>>>>> Christian theology > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The Spectator (UK) 23 March 2002 > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php3?table=old§ion=current&issue=2002 > >>>>>> -03-23&id=1580&searchText > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It was one of those sickening moments when an illusion is shattered > >>> and an > >>>>>> ominous reality laid bare. I was among a group of Jews and Christians > >>> who > >>>>>> met recently to discuss the Churches' increasing public hostility to > >>>>> Israel. > >>>>>> The Jews were braced for a difficult encounter. 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