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THE DAFYOMI DISCUSSION LIST brought to you by Kollel Iyun Hadaf of Yerushalayim Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] [REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE TO DISCUSS THE DAF WITH THE KOLLEL] ________________________________________________________________ Beitzah 030: Seven Esrogim avrohom Adler asked: The Gemara states (concerning someone in Eretz Yisrael) that if someone had 7 esrogim for 7 days (he designated one for each day), then one opinion states that he may eat each one immediately after using it, while the other opinion holds that he may not eat each one until the end of the day. Thus, on day two, according to all opinions, he can eat the esrog that was only designated for day one. The Gemara then states (just a bit later ) that outside of Eretz Yisrael, there is a Rabbinic decree that forbids the esrog from being eaten on the eighth day. My question If someone outside of Eretz Yisrael designated 7 esrogim for 7 days (actually, 6, because of Shabbos), how would the d'rabbanan work? Is the person not allowed to eat ANY of the esrogim until after Simchas Torah? That doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense. Is the person only not allowed to eat the last one the next day? That seems counterintuitive as well, since if there was a true safek on the day, all the other ones should have a one-day delay in eating them as well. Is this person "off the hook" on the d'rabbanan because of his designation? Not sure why that should be the case either In reality, whether the day we outside of Eretz Yisrael call Shmini Azeres is really Hoshanah Rabbah or not should be irrelevant. Since clearly the halacha is that we do NOT take lulav/esrog on the "eighth day", when we purchase the esrog, we have intention to use it on the 6 days that we use it. Therefore, the esrog should become permitted at the end of Hoshana Rabbah the same way as for all of the other days. avrohom Adler, usa ---------------------------------------------- The Kollel replies: Dear Avrohom, Thanks for your query. I would like to sort out the different statements, and I think that then all will fit into place. The Din of a person using seven Esrogim for seven days is identical to Eretz Yisrael and Chutz la'Aretz. The issue is whether it is designated for the Mitzvah only and thus may be eaten immediately after the Mitzvah was performed, or does it apply to the entire day, and may not be eaten until the next day. As I said, the Din is the same everywhere. The fact that in Chutz la'Aretz it might be the second or third day of the Chag has no bearing on the situation. The designation applies to the Mitzvah relevant on that specific day (or the entire day) only. The second issue is in the case of using one Esrog for the entire Chag: when does it become permissible in Chutz la'Aretz. And in this case the rabbinic decree forbids using it on the eighth day since in reality it might be the seventh day and the mitzvah of Esrog still applies. You may ask, "But nevertheless we do not observe the Mitzvah of Esrog on the eighth day, so why should we treat it as if the Mitzvah applies on this day also?" There are various answers offered by the Rishonim for this question. The most common answer is that if the people would be permitted to benefit from the Esrog on this day, they would come to the ultimate conclusion that it is the eighth day of the Chag, and there would be no need to eat in the Sukah either. Thus the prohibition of eating the Esrog applies to remind us that it is indeed a Safek. All the best. Y. Landy -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.19/555 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 _______________________________________________ Daf-discuss mailing list Daf-discuss@shemayisrael.co.il http://mailman.shemayisrael.com/mailman/listinfo/daf-discuss_shemayisrael.co.il