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THE DAFYOMI DISCUSSION LIST brought to you by Kollel Iyun Hadaf of Yerushalayim Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] [REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE TO DISCUSS THE DAF WITH THE KOLLEL] ________________________________________________________________ Ta'anis 027: Splitting a pasuk Moshe Schlusselberg asked: Thank you for your wonderful Insights. Shmuel holds we split a pasuk between 2 olim. The pasuk he refers to is the 3rd pasuk in Beraishis. This pasuk has 6 words. Where would he split the pasuk? The pasuk doesn't logically split into 3 & 3. Could you split it into 4 & 2? Moshe Schlusselberg, Spring Valley, NY, USA ---------------------------------------------- The Kollel replies: In my opinion one splits up the third Pasuk of Bereishis into 4+2. This is because what determines where one splits up a Pasuk - in case of need where there is no other option - is not that there should necessarily be an equal number of words in each half, but rather where the "Esnachta" (the musical note in the middle of the verse which indicates where the pause is) is. In Bereishis 1:3 the Esnachta is after "Or" which is the 4th word. (After I wrote the above I saw that TESHUVAS CHASAM SOFER OC #10 DH Ve-HAYAH and DH U-PE'ER does not seem to agree with this. The discussion there is why in Kidush on Friday night do we start by saying "And it was evening and it was morning, the 6th day", which is starting in the middle of Bereishis 1:31? Chasam Sofer cites a contemporary of his - MAGEN GIBORIM - who seems to say that when there is an Esnachta or a "Zakef Katon", there is no problem with splitting up a Pasuk, and since "And it was evening..." comes after Esnachta, there is no problem in splitting up the Pasuk. Chasam Sofer strongly disagrees with the above Sevara and argues that it is contradicted by our Gemara, because the Gemara should not have had a question on Shmuel that he is breaking up a Pasuk, since he only broke it up after an Esnachta. However I think that Chasam Sofer is not actually a contradiction to my answer, because even he will agree that according to Shmuel, who maintains that in some special cases one is allowed to split a Pasuk (for instance, in the case of our Gemara where there is a different problem of "Nichnasim ve'Yotzim"), in such cases it is preferable to make the break after the Esnachta, since this is after all a natural, logical pause. KOL TUV D. Bloom >>><><><>><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><<< The *D*AFYOMI *A*DVANCEMENT *F*ORUM, brought to you by Kollel Iyun Hadaf Write to us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit us at http://www.dafyomi.co.il Fax(US):(206) 202-0323; Fax(Isr): (02) 591-6024; Tel(Isr): (02) 651-5004 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.29/673 - Release Date: 2/6/2007 5:52 PM _______________________________________________ Daf-discuss mailing list Daf-discuss@shemayisrael.co.il http://mailman.shemayisrael.com/mailman/listinfo/daf-discuss_shemayisrael.co.il