On 3/30/15 7:01 PM, Vladimir Alexiev wrote:
We as humanity should leverage the strengths of both, to gain maximum benefits.Amen! Anything less is an utter shame.A Little Cooperation Goes a Long Way.Amen, one more time !Kingsley, I am very much heartened by your response because I thought you're a die-hard DBpedia guy; and a couple months ago when Markus pointed to the excellent Resumator, you sort of said "but does it LOD".
That's an example of how my comments can be easily misconstrued, due to my DBpedia and LOD proximity :)
All I want is for identifiers to resolve to description documents. Net effect, we have URIs functioning as terms rather than words and/or phrases, expands the power of the Web.
Wikidatians have strength in numbers. As Multichill (Sum of All Paintings, WikiCulture, WikiLovesMonuments) is just emailing me "We have bots and we're not afraid to use them. My bot (BotMultichill) has over 4 million edits" They're not afraid to screw some modeling up, because they're gonna fix it.
All good.
They talk to each other, all the time, in sophisticated ways. (Well, not all of them are sophisticated: e.g. I am just learning) Mediawiki is the most sophisticated consensus-building platform, right?
"A" rather than "The" :)
They're good with practical information architecture (things shold be easy to use and see), without being afraid of breaking some puny rule.
Yes! Not being afraid to break things is crucial. A system of draconian rules is DOA. That said, Linked Open Data isn't draconian, but I do empathize with those who might initially arrive at that conclusion.
They're not afraid to use what used to be a cursed languge (PHP). Phabricator is a great.... 10 tools in one? I only used it couple days but the UI is excellent. And they are getting serious about RDF: they're retooling the WDQ backend because that wonderful beast is ever hungry. (They picked BigData because of free support and strong engagement). I don't quite clearly see the Complementarity between DBP and WD that you see, but there are options.
And that's the weak point that needs fixing. Wikidata is about a crowd oriented DataWiki for structured data.DBpedia is about Wikipedia content rendition in 5-Star Linked Open Data form.
Wikidata enables DBpedia to be better.DBpedia enables Wikidata to be better, even if DBpedia shortcomings are the initial point of focus.
What I see that there's got to be a joint series of workshops.
Yes, but not just workshops. Principals behind both projects need to talk and get to understand one another, genuinely. As I said, these projects are inherently complimentary+++
Maybe also with the SemanticMediaWiki (or OntoWiki) people, because they have the third perspective.
Both are DataWiki variants. They are complimentary tools that can play a role. Just like related tools that offer read-write capability at Web-scale via the open standards such as LDP, SPARQL Graph Protocol, SPARQL 1.1 Update etc..
Who's for it? I sure would be happy: will cut down on travel :-) PS: Too bad this thread wont go to wikidata-l because I'm not subscribed there.
It's in the cc. :) Kingsley
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