Alexander Wirt schrieb am Sonntag, den 11. Dezember 2011: > Stefano Zacchiroli schrieb am Sunday, den 11. December 2011: > > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:10:07PM +0100, Alexander Wirt wrote: > > > I was working on this bug and I detected the non openess part. And I > > > have to say that I strongly disagree in making this list non-public. > > > > > > Am I the only one that don't likes this? > > > > Thanks for working on this bug report and for mentioning this, it's > > indeed important that we discuss this part. I've three comments in > > reply to your inquiry to advance this discussion: > > > > 1) how is the non-openness of this request any different from the > > listmaster@lists.d.o mail alias (or many others that we have in many > > @*.debian.org domains, fwiw) that Cord has Cc:-ed? > > > > (Note: as I've mentioned recently, I'm generally *against* those > > aliases, but I'm even more against double standards) > Imho its an administrative alias, where also private stuff (complaints > against lists arrive). I don't see where this is comparable to a lists that > discusses a specific use case of Debian. > > > 2) I haven't asked anything which is not allowed by the mailing list > > template at <http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list> > > . Should it be amended? > There are good reasons for closed lists. Like debian-admin. But due to the > openess of our project we always try to limit the creation of this type of > lists. > > > > > 3) I've addressed your point in my request: > > > > > FWIW, I don't think this is at stake with Debian openness. For me this > > > list is just Debian offering list hosting to actors who want to help > > > Debian in venues that Debian Project members are not able or willing > > > to pursue by themselves. > > > > and I believe it answers your point. If you don't think it is the > > case, can you explain why? > Imho it is a public topic where everybody should be able to take part in. > Especially if companys invest money into Debian I want to know if this > happens. We saw at dunc tank how destructive money may be. But anyhow, that > is for this specific case. I think that everything that affects the > development of debian should be open. I read your explanation a few times and > I still fail to understand why this should be a reason. Ok I had a longer talk to Michael Meskes and I am now able to understand you (and his) position a little bit better.
I (personally) would be willing to accept the lists under the following conditions: Before the list is created I want an exact policy who is allowed to get subscribed to this list. A better description of the list should be done that leads into a press announcement that invites everybody (that matches the subscription policy) to participate in the discussion on the list. (Optional, but nice): Some representatives of the debian project should participate on the list. Alex Disclaimer: This is of course my personal oppinion as a listmaster and I am not speaking for everybody in the team. And you are always free to ask the ctte for overriding my decision (I am willing to accept their opinion). But I think that my conditions are good for the list and for debian itself. -- Alexander Wirt, formo...@formorer.de CC99 2DDD D39E 75B0 B0AA B25C D35B BC99 BC7D 020A -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
