On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 12:12:47PM -0500, Joe Wreschnig wrote: > On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 06:14, Federico Di Gregorio wrote: > > people, i just want to remember you that DFSG stands for debian free > > SOFTWARE guidelines. documentation is *not* software > > Unfortunately this is becoming less true. CSS contains statements for > content generation and counting variables. Is this a program? I'm not > sure, but it's definitely not just a document anymore. XSLT can be > included as "documentation" (and probably is in a lot of places, in or > outside of Debian), and XSLT is Turing-complete. Where does the line get > drawn? Is it possible to draw one? > > IMO, an FDL-licensed document with invariant sections is non-free. As a > user of Debian, I'd like to know that they're not installed on my system > if I'm only using packages from main.
As noted - that will mean most of the GNU stuff goes right out the window. Perhaps Woody+1 will no longer be "Debian GNU/Linux"? I've said it before, but once again: the world of "writing" (that is, the various forms of documentation, RFCs - many of which are 'non-free' under the DFSG, and similar things does *not* have the same baseline of what it means to be 'free', because it comes from a vastly different world. One in which 'open distribution of work' is the primary goal, and the basic means of 'modifying' a work all preserve the origional document intact (that is, annotation, commentary, and bibliographical reference). The DFSG is an excellent place to start, but trying to apply it to things which *are not software* is silly, and results in the sort of sillyness which we're seeing now - will we see an Orphan message for GCC next? Folks, if RMS - who I think most folks will acknowlege is a zealot, whether they agree with his zealotry or not - is not only willing to put up with, but actively encourages, the use of a core license which Debian considers to be non-free, then I think it's time to take a step back and seriously consider *how* we ended up with the world on it's ear. I know we don't like 'patches only' software, but we *do* allow it - and the basic assumption of most documentation is that it lives in a world in which various forms of 'patching' are the *normal* method. I'm all for us saying 'please try to minimize invariant sections', possibly even 'these types of sections cannot be invariant to qualify for the DFDG', but if we want to apply a standard to which the rest of the world will never allow itself to be held to, we're going to take RMS's place as the zealots whom large numbers of people ignore. (Sort of like some folks ignore Jerodan for his Hurd cheerleading, or me for the *BSD cheerleading, for example...) -- *************************************************************************** Joel Baker System Administrator - lightbearer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://users.lightbearer.com/lucifer/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]