On Fri, Jan 06, 2017 at 01:58:50PM +0100, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > > > Including access to devices (which X wants these days)? > > > > That's just for ancient graphics cards (ie, with no KMS/DRM support) > > without xserver-xorg-legacy, right? > > logind is required for drivers using KMS and *not* the legacy suid > wrapper, see /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-core/NEWS.Debian.gz.
Nope, I don't have systemd (and thus logind) on any of my non-virtual machines, I don't have xserver-xorg-legacy either, yet X works fine. I've just pulled out the oldest box I have in my junk pile (a pre-amd64 Pentium4 with Intel 82915G/GV/910GL), installed current X on it -- works fine without logind. Non-KMS stuff you need xorg-legacy for sounds ISAish. On the other hand, hurd which has no KMS does need xorg-legacy. > I think wayland does the same (I haven't used it though). Me neither. > So eventually alternatives should probably provide an alternative for > this part of logind too. I guess that "relies on logind" part is true only under systemd? At least, other VT manipulating tools like "open" run into permissions problem there too. Meow! -- Autotools hint: to do a zx-spectrum build on a pdp11 host, type: ./configure --host=zx-spectrum --build=pdp11