Chapeau Anton, this is the way in which I would be able to answer any question.
Andrea Sent from my Sylpheed On Thu, 19 Jun 2014 14:25:17 +0200 an.to_n...@riseup.net wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello everybody! > > I think, that the linked blog entry of IngnorantGuru is just another > conspiration theory. > In addition the author really seems to be afraid of being watched by > "them". Just read the paragraph in another post (1), starting with > "The other event also left an indelible memory." No dates, names or > details, just the unproven tale of being contacted by strange people. > So I guess that the claim "Debian Is Owned By The NSA" is wrong, also > it was a false quote ... > > Anyway, surveillance agencies surely try to put backdoors into > software (open and closed source) and encryption standards > (2)(3)(4)(5)(6). > In 8/2013 and 1/2014 serious discussions took place on this mailing > list, how adversaries could compromise Debian or at least some > packages by default (7)(8). To sum up: Yes, they can! > To my mind it is not necessary to "own" a whole OS to spy on persons > of interest (although it would be very practical :-) ... ). The > surveillants just need a possibility to enter the victims server, PC, > tablet or smartphone. Professional players have many such options in > terms of zero day exploits. They just search themselves or buy them > with their huge budget (9). The US officially committed to store > 0-days for serious cases (10). /Every/ professional cracker > organisation, governmental or criminal, does this! > > => I am sure that some of the security flaws discussed on this and > other lists were known to the Chinese / Russians / Americans / > Europeans and exploited before, to enter Debian systems. You can't do > much against this. Just think of a Quantum attack with their shadow > servers on your browser (11). > So don't use connected computers for really important stuff! And don't > use browsers outside VMs. I am only a hyprocrite, because I do both > things. > > But have at look at the Chinese official OS Kylin (12). Their > computers are surely monitored by the NSA. In 2002 they started with a > FreeBSD based system (13) for governmental use. This year they switch > to Ubuntu Kylin (14)(15), which bases on Linux+Debian. Now one can > surely ask for Guoanbu's standard backdoor in Kylin, by that is > another topic :-). > > *=> To conclude: A country, which is surely monitored by the NSA, runs > an Linux/Debian-based operating system.* > > I think, there can't be a better advertisement! > > Best regards, and stay wiretapped! > > Anton > > 1) > http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/02/17/biography-of-a-cypherpunk-and-how-cryptography-affects-your-life > 2) > http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/uriks/Sources-We-were-pressured-to-weaken-the-mobile-security-in-the-80s-7413285.html > 3) http://www.heise.de/tp/artikel/2/2898/1.html > 4) http://mashable.com/2013/09/11/fbi-microsoft-bitlocker-backdoor > 5) "Torvalds was also asked if he had ever been approached by the U.S. > government to insert a backdoor into Linux. Torvalds responded 'no' > while nodding his head 'yes', as the audience broke into spontaneous > laughter." > http://www.eweek.com/print/developer/linus-torvalds-talks-linux-development-at-linuxcon.html > 6) > http://securitywatch.pcmag.com/security/319544-what-it-s-like-when-the-fbi-asks-you-to-backdoor-your-software > 7) https://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2013/08/msg00000.html > 8) https://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2014/01/msg00021.html > 9) > http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2012/03/21/meet-the-hackers-who-sell-spies-the-tools-to-crack-your-pc-and-get-paid-six-figure-fees > 10) > http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2014/04/28/heartbleed-understanding-when-we-disclose-cyber-vulnerabilities > 11) > http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/nsa-dokumente-so-uebernimmt-der-geheimdienst-fremde-rechner-fotostrecke-105329.html > 12) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kylin_%28operating_system%29 > 13) > http://web.archive.org/web/20070729215013/http://2006.eurobsdcon.org/talks-wu.php > 14) http://www.ubuntukylin.com/index.php?lang=en > 15) > http://www.zdnet.com/china-switches-on-to-ubuntu-in-hunt-for-windows-xp-successor-7000026355 > > > - -- > an.to_n-73 at riseup dot net , PGP: > 0B4C DF2C CB22 5DF4 25EA F212 49D1 ABF2 A2A9 7D7D > Bitmessage: BM-2cTY8fuXGGXmh3fVgfQMaRCqTpgqp479ux > > > > On 19/06/14 04:36, Niklas Lemcke - 林樂寬 wrote: > > What's the deal with this? > > > > http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) > > iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJTotarAAoJEEnRq/KiqX19eS8P/RcG3wSMiugu1vFqa6mhPVEL > s9M991jXXwUaBxkGEpXh8FYerlQDSU9AvQmEXxxgTjbBVDTB605lRRmP8im+FFy8 > NKRrpfxPPHWBl4MFKcFSCqW8dVn+N2KIkZRiFqW1E5ODo5iemgyd7jy5Xh6NVj0J > b1zBzYx9dOzvf/yBOo3PGXwZyK3BYkg3OpHvGM9RbcAK39sSDR6qF+0PKZIn62qw > ig00yfSSZN3+Ab+P9HsGu0ej/e+yQDv3q/7NB0I7+QoYwj8nA4qqGTSq0HxLSqAK > PRXgnErCQvCRFgD2DhPDXsUwnrIAdfymR//MvnuMF29UQ9CwLhy3ug+JK7dkRi1W > 8TdlUHUQATff3iCsVghXx/Z2/BVHSy9QaAMq1yPWrPCr7o9XZeHJZIGh9F9X3+Bg > rkXso83hSp/eUVFqDsjjnMbjszQslxGqe+fKFm2dVuOaAyrgltKQlDY1b0j5rkfr > +QtFUKGop6OfEEZdK8FNrlk0J3VDq8cmLkrmwWbtxaEGS2WXvKm7fAfZHvqNGoVI > mr8+nvVjobqtZvlzaoU5LkN3cFF9TSqy1X2CJkz8r3jITZmjlhp0dhFmpOMueYSS > NbFuMm1YjxOOggzFfhxR8QfANmcRB4vLXwJsLXiRpJ0t/OmYeJF672VDP+EuYTIX > AZRUnLmfZ0ebgxfr+bXb > =wmTs > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-security-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". 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