On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 11:54:17PM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote: > Sven Hoexter:
Hi, > > There've been times in the past when Debian was the playground to > > introduce new cool technology. > > When was that the case? I use Debian since potato and I never had this > impression. But I might have missed that particular image in the first > one or two years. I think there are areas where Debian still is a playground for new or at least non mainstream technology. See e.g. the kfreebsd, Hurd or even Minix 3 porting efforts. There is also ongoing support for new hardware architectures and improvement for existing once like armhf. There are other things like the mime-support integration which as far as I remember started around Debian. Or other helpful efforts like debconf. I guess there's a lot more I just missed. > > It's strange that nowdays people expect Debian to stay away from it. > > It even reverts the upstream/downstream relationship with Ubuntu. > > That's not true anymore for many packages. Ubuntu tried to make > cutting-edge solutions usable by everyone almost from the start. Well yes while Ubuntu and Fedora provides more recent software I don't see why Debian should avoid to experiment with it? Nobody claimed that wayland should be the default display server for the next stable release. Even for Ubuntu I think Mark suggested to try it and see if it works. > I am unsure whether this is about manpower only. Debian's answer usually > is "we just need someone to package it", but there's more to it. > > People will probably name a lot of counterexamples, but my impression is > that Debian is currently unable to push any big changes forward. Even > "internals" like multiarch don't happen. Maybe package maintainers have > too much power over their packages, maybe it's just too much > bikeshedding or personal attacks. And one could probably argue that the > decision making process isn't designed for big changes in the first > place. I don't know. Get involved and help. [Maybe I should just have spent the time to participate in this thread with packaging LyX 2. *sigh*] Sven -- And I don't know much, but I do know this: With a golden heart comes a rebel fist. [ Streetlight Manifesto - Here's To Life ] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101110181934.ga12...@marvin.lan